T206 George Browne Washington

[Ronnie73]

Ok Chris, you win for largest top border lol even though its not your card. Figured i'd post a picture of my George Mullin that I was talking about earlier. It's so wide left to right that it didn't fit in the standard T206 PSA holder.

[wonkaticket]

Crawford batting is another card that can be found fat left to right. I just sold a few extras via the 54 BST it seems most of them have already found there way to eBay it along with Crawford below.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-Sam-Cra...item20c17d4b8f

All shapes and sizes can be found on these cards along with all sorts of color differences...



Cheers,

John

[Runscott]

Steve - would it have made sense for images to ever be moved around on the sheets? The Dougherty's John posted make me wonder.

[atx840]

Hey Scott,

From the 25 known double names we have seen a few examples of different top/bottom/back combinations. From the limited examples it appears that the same player is always below or always on top.

[Brian Weisner]

Here are a few from my "Large Border" collection:









Be well Brian

[Runscott]

Brian, Burns and Beckley are two others I've seen with large top borders.


Chris - I was digging around through my old card scans and found a Rossman portrait with 'Thomas, Phil.' above him. Do you have that one?

[atx840]

I do not, would love to see scans. Within the last three weeks five more have shown up which really helps this project.

1. Abbaticchio(Brown)-Cicotte (Piedmont 350)
2. Atz-Hoffman (Piedmont 350)
3. Barbeay-Stang (SC 350 Factory 30)
4. Bradley-Bender (Piedmont 150 Factory 25)
5. Bresnahan (port)- Doolin
6. Chase(BluePortrait)-Zimmerman (Piedmont 350 Factory 25)
7. Criget-Ritchey
8. Delehanty(Washington)-Waddell
9. Elberfeld(NewYork)-Parent (Piedmont 350)
10. Engle-Phillippe (Piedmont 350 Factory 25)
11. Hoblitzell-Stephens (Piedmont 350)
12. Jennings(Portrait)-Jordan (Piedmont 350 Factory 25)
13. Killian(Pitching)-Chance (Piedmont 150)
14. Killian(Portrait)-Dubuc (Sweet Caporal 350 Factory 30)
15. Lindaman-Bresnahan (Piedmont 150 Factory 25)
16. Lundgren(Cubs)-Ball
17. Lundgren(Cubs)-Doolin (Piedmont 150 Factory 25)
18. McElveen-Dygert (Piedmont 350)
19. McGlynn-Jones (Sweet Caporal 350 Factory 30)
20. McGraw-Chesbro
21. Pickering-Myers (Sweet Caporal 350 Factory ?)
22. Powell-O'Leary (Piedmont 150)
23. Snodgrass(Batting)-Maddox (Piedmont 350 Factory 25)
24. Spade-Cicotte (Piedmont 150)
25. Rossman (port)-Thomas Phil
26. Turner-Lobert

[Runscott]

okay, sending scan via email.

I don't know the history of the card other than I owned it at one point.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Steve - would it have made sense for images to ever be moved around on the sheets? The Dougherty's John posted make me wonder.

Any sheet would have had multiples of the same card, And we know some were directly over each other. So if a card was the second card from the left in the top row it would almost certainly have had a duplicate that was second from left in the second row.

If different stones were laid out then yes, they could have easily setup the sheet differently each time. So Dougherty could have been in the second row of one sheet, but some other row on a different sheet. (And the cards could have been laid out in blocks rather than strips, making side to side pairs possible. I'm pretty sure all the side to side miscuts I've seen are different players.)

What's interesting to me is seeing the different cards together. The three Doughertys all have slight differences, aside from color. All the ones from the top row even without a wide border should have the same carachteristics which differ from other positions. In this case the top border card has nothing I can spot that can't be caused by inking or registration. The left card has a bit of a gap in the top border, maybe from the alignment mark on the stone being erased too much. The right one has what looks like one of the alignment marks in an odd spot about 1/8th of the way in from the top left.
Both the left and right cards have fatter letters than the center card.
So maybe the left and right ones are from the same plate (Or the same state of plate, wear could widen the letters) While the one with the wide border might be from a different plate. I would bet that they're from different series, either one 150 and two 350s or the other way around.

Steve B

[wonkaticket]

The holder tells you what series the card on the far left is. It says 1910 SC so it's a 350 the other two cards are P150 cards.

John

[Runscott]

Here's the Rossman with 2 names

[steve B]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

The holder tells you what series the card on the far left is. It says 1910 SC so it's a 350 the other two cards are P150 cards.

John

Darn, wrong again. I didn't look much at the holders at all.

Just goes to show how complex these can really get.

And if they're actually multiple printings with the same back it will be even more complicated.

Steve B
PS I'm not too worried, with science and backfiguring stuff being wrong happens. If I learn from being wrong that's good.

[Runscott]

Here's a Polar Bear back that probably came from the top of the sheet.

It has a large top front border with no residue from another name, plus the top of the back has the printing messed up (the black fuzzy stuff near the top is black ink) - my guess is that this would be more likely to happen at the top of the top row of cards, but hopefully Steve will bring his opinion.