Pennant collectors

[lefty147]

The bidder did not renege on the the first auction. It was paid for and just returned to the seller as not described properly as in the post earlier. I guess if the seller didn't offer a second chance offer to the under bidders and re-lists it than whatever happens happens. If they didn't block the original winner from bidding how can they stop them from winning again ? I would imagine the seller is probably not very happy but it was out there for everyone to bid on-- again. Although I have no evidence, I agree with Mark the they are authentic and not homemade. This particular 1920 Dodger one is not the the first to surface. Mike

[thetahat]

Hi everybody ... yes, I can certainly prove that I bought it and returned it. I have proved it to another poster already, who has been kind enough to back me up. The seller only grants returns if item not as described, and she granted it right away, so that essentially backs me up.

The additional flaws were not devastating but it did significantly reduce its value ... not to a value of $0, but perhaps something in the neighborhood of $800-900 which is what one sold for awhile back in a Hunt Auction. It wasn't worth what I originally bid, due to condition flaws that were not described and pictures that were not representative. This is why I returned it. By the way, you can find this pennant in a Hunt Auction search. This pennant and that one have different flaws that probably balance out. Based on the description, this one should have been better, but it really isn't. (This one has perfect tip and original tassels but significantly more fading to the front and thinning of the body of the felt; doesn't display as nicely; graphic harder to see.) Still, all things considered, a decent pennant albeit not a holy grail, and so when I saw it posted again, obviously, I kept me eye on it. I found it interesting that the additional flaws were not mentioned. My max bid was less than half of what it was before. And I won.

I would restate my opinion that these are very old and unique pennants. Was this one printed immediately after the '20 season? Who knows. I did notice in Mike Egner's guide that there is a Senators pennant that is of the same type. It is a 1933-dated pennant (can't see it clearly in the book but it reminded me that I've seen it before) reading CHAMPIONS 1933 along the wide end. Absolutely convinced that the Browns/Cardinals pennants of the late 30s/early 40s are made from the same maker. I have these. No sewn-on strip at wide end, same metal grommets attaching tassels, and underneath the grommets are little clover designs. Maybe this is a very old commemorative series ... I could imagine that perhaps in 1939 something was done to commemorate 100 years. Just a wild guess.

Anyway, Hank, Mark, Mike ... thanks. I'll keep you posted.

[Hankphenom]

Maybe I'm just hypersensitive these days to fraud and scams in the hobby, which drive me nuts, and thought I had found one where none existed. I love pennants, you all obviously do, too, so let's assume these are of some substantial vintage and therefore quite interesting, and enjoy them for whatever they are.

[thetahat]

Update ... bidder is clearly unhappy that pennant sold for much lower price, accusing me of partaking in some sort of scheme to cause it, and refuses to fulfill obligation to sell. All this despite her choice to (a) give refund (b) repost without changing description (c) no reserve and (d) not blocking me from bidding.

[Tigerden]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Update ... bidder is clearly unhappy that pennant sold for much lower price, accusing me of partaking in some sort of scheme to cause it, and refuses to fulfill obligation to sell. All this despite her choice to (a) give refund (b) repost without changing description (c) no reserve and (d) not blocking me from bidding.

I assume you mean the seller is unhappy Greg. I hope everything works out for you, keep us posted. Adam

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Update ... bidder is clearly unhappy that pennant sold for much lower price, accusing me of partaking in some sort of scheme to cause it, and refuses to fulfill obligation to sell. All this despite her choice to (a) give refund (b) repost without changing description (c) no reserve and (d) not blocking me from bidding.

Can a seller do that?

[perezfan]

I didn't think they could. She accepted the return (which was justified and valid), and should be contractually obligated to complete the transaction.

If you really want it, I would think you can file a dispute with ebay. Greg... please keep us posted on this one, as it's an interesting case.

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I didn't think they could. She accepted the return (which was justified and valid), and should be contractually obligated to complete the transaction.

If you really want it, I would think you can file a dispute with ebay. Greg... please keep us posted on this one, as it's an interesting case.

Sorry Guys but I have had this happen to me before the seller doesnt have to complete the transaction. You can file with ebay but you will get a note from ebay saying they cannot force the seller to complete the transaction.All you can do is leave a negative comment and move on. I can almost garantee you the seller will have a reserve on this the next time around.