Do-over. heritage relists no sale psa, jsa 1939 controversial signedinduction program

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by travrosty

Give me your thoughts, and if you like JSA and PSA and still think they do a great job, especially on vintage baseball and sports, please come on here let your voice be heard.

You know I love your passion Travis and I hold your opinions in high regard, despite what you might think. My feelings are that the leaders in 3rd party authentication need some work. Maybe a lot. These kind of examples coming to light are the product of very sloppy work (which we know they are susceptible), favoritism, fraud or both. I guess I choose to believe that they mostly get it right. The FDE's that have to know by now they are authenticating NOTHING BUT FORGERIES, because they almost NEVER GET IT RIGHT. They are complicit to the crime. It goes way beyond "I didn't know, it's my opinion" B.S they like to hang their hat on. They never retract a certificate either. Both FDE's and alphabets should retract known forgeries that got by their initial look as soon as it is a well known fact. With FDE's like Moraless, he would have 3 obscure golf autographs correct and almost everything else should be recalled.

I know you went to work for one of the alphabets for a very short time. You left after you found out you couldn't make a difference and your ideas fell on deaf ears. They are idiots for not listening. They are really not trying to improve their business. After you beat your head against the wall and found out "change for the better" was not in the works with the current structure, you left. I wish they would have taken the constructive criticism, but they didn't and apparently don't listen to anyone. Their overall reputation will suffer with many strong detractors like yourself if they keep it up.

Still, it would be comforting for you to admit that Christopher Moraless does not have his certification on 1-Authentic Muhammad Ali autograph. They are all forgeries. (99.99%) I speak from what I know like you do. I see very few questionable Mickey Mantle's with PSA or JSA. They are almost always right. Just like Moraless is always wrong. So, I don't know how much more I can tell you.

I think your efforts to discredit PSA & JSA and not FDE's is a TRAVESTY, pun intended. I am against all nonsense and fraud not just from alphabets and that's what makes it hard to get behind your plight. You are 100MPH railing against alphabets with blinders on. If they keep it up, they will be out of business and all we'll have is rubber stamper FDE's popping up more so than they do now.

In any case, Keep doing what makes you happy and everything should work out just fine in the end.

[RichardSimon]

I might be incorrect but I thought Travis had said he was offered a job by an alphabet but never actually worked for one.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

You know I love your passion Travis and I hold your opinions in high regard, despite what you might think. My feelings are that the leaders in 3rd party authentication need some work. Maybe a lot. These kind of examples coming to light are the product of very sloppy work (which we know they are susceptible), favoritism, fraud or both. I guess I choose to believe that they mostly get it right. The FDE's that have to know by now they are authenticating NOTHING BUT FORGERIES, because they almost NEVER GET IT RIGHT. They are complicit to the crime. It goes way beyond "I didn't know, it's my opinion" B.S they like to hang their hat on. They never retract a certificate either. Both FDE's and alphabets should retract known forgeries that got by their initial look as soon as it is a well known fact. With FDE's like Moraless, he would have 3 obscure golf autographs correct and almost everything else should be recalled.

I know you went to work for one of the alphabets for a very short time. You left after you found out you couldn't make a difference and your ideas fell on deaf ears. They are idiots for not listening. They are really not trying to improve their business. After you beat your head against the wall and found out "change for the better" was not in the works with the current structure, you left. I wish they would have taken the constructive criticism, but they didn't and apparently don't listen to anyone. Their overall reputation will suffer with many strong detractors like yourself if they keep it up.

Still, it would be comforting for you to admit that Christopher Moraless does not have his certification on 1-Authentic Muhammad Ali autograph. They are all forgeries. (99.99%) I speak from what I know like you do. I see very few questionable Mickey Mantle's with PSA or JSA. They are almost always right. Just like Moraless is always wrong. So, I don't know how much more I can tell you.

I think your efforts to discredit PSA & JSA and not FDE's is a TRAVESTY, pun intended. I am against all nonsense and fraud not just from alphabets and that's what makes it hard to get behind your plight. You are 100MPH railing against alphabets with blinders on. If they keep it up, they will be out of business and all we'll have is rubber stamper FDE's popping up more so than they do now.

In any case, Keep doing what makes you happy and everything should work out just fine in the end.

You are doing the popular thing, I am doing the unpopular thing, but the necessary thing. When I am vindicated, others like you will be on my side then, saying you were there all the time, probably leading the way, and you weren't.

We will know who was there and who wasn't.

You think these are isolated incidents, they are not. There are tons more. You won't even believe it. Just wait. The Ruth ball investigation is ten parts, so far only three parts have been shown. I am not writing that investigation, I don't know whats coming up, but I can bet it will knock your socks off.

A lot of people say the old GAI stunk.

But at the time they were still in business, I bet few spoke up. But when they went bankrupt, then the chorus starts, and now that bandwagon is full.

The old GAI was fully equal to PSA, and they are no more, totally discredited by their own actions and authentications. Why are you so sure it couldn't happen to any of the other popular companies? Why are they infallible? What makes them good, other than their own press releases? What exactly is their qualifications?

[RichardSimon]

Travis - I do respect you for the knowledge that you have and for fighting the good fight.
However, I see how you artfully dodge any attempt to solicit an opinion from you regarding other troubling spots in the hobby, namely the FDE's.
Is there a reason that you won't comment about that issue? Some people have already speculated to me about your possible reasons. Does it have anything to do with the ANL site?
Until I hear something from you to contradict them, I am going to have to believe their side of it because nothing on this comes from you. You ignore whenever a question is brought up and never make any attempt to answer.
Fuddjcal was very direct in his questioning and yet you made out like he was not even there when it came to answering him directly.
Answer us Travis, we deserve that much.

[RichardSimon]

Casey - you are right, I wanted to see who the first one would be to figure it out. I also wanted people to see and compare what was authenticated by the alphabet guys to what has gone up on CC.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Travis - I do respect you for the knowledge that you have and for fighting the good fight.
However, I see how you artfully dodge any attempt to solicit an opinion from you regarding other troubling spots in the hobby, namely the FDE's.
Is there a reason that you won't comment about that issue? Some people have already speculated to me about your possible reasons. Does it have anything to do with the ANL site?
Until I hear something from you to contradict them, I am going to have to believe their side of it because nothing on this comes from you. You ignore whenever a question is brought up and never make any attempt to answer.
Fuddjcal was very direct in his questioning and yet you made out like he was not even there when it came to answering him directly.
Answer us Travis, we deserve that much.

okay i will answer, i have answered this 100 times already, and you can believe what you want. i have commented on fde's many times.

anl doesnt have anything to do with anything. i post under my own name and you wont find one paragraph that i have ever posted defending the fde's.

what about morales do you or anyone else not understand by now? that's why i dont get. people see the denouncing of morales as an endorsement of the tpa's, they think it is either/or, when I dont like either one, but they refuse to accept that paradigm.

so as soon as they see me denounce the fde's, they say "see , Roste endorses the TPA companies." I won't give them that satisfaction, because if anybody took a few minutes to look on the web, they will see many statements I have made that take the fde's to task. If they don't want to look for them, that is not my problem.

do you really think i think the fde's do a good job? I don't have to take up anyone elses banner. i take up my own.

If someone is vehemently against drunk driving, and that is their cause all day long, and I am against spousal abuse and I like to bring that to light as #1 problem, just because I don't put drunk driving first as my cause, it doesn't mean I am for drunk driving! Do you guys get it by now?

People will accuse someone of being for drunk driving if that person doesn't give up their cause they hold close to their heart and take up someone elses as #1.

Richard, give up dolphins and take up saving the spotted owls, if you don't then you must want to see the owls wiped out. Is that fair?

That's how people portray me and I resent it. End of the FDE discussion because I can only say it 63,000 times. I have told Fudd this many, many times, and he doesn't care, and only spreads the rumors about me that I resent. Take his side and do what you want with it. It's a straw man argument, always has been, and always will be.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

okay i will answer, i have answered this 100 times already, and you can believe what you want. i have commented on fde's many times.

anl doesnt have anything to do with anything. i post under my own name and you wont find one paragraph that i have ever posted defending the fde's.

what about morales do you or anyone else not understand by now? that's why i dont get. people see the denouncing of morales as an endorsement of the tpa's, they think it is either/or, when I dont like either one, but they refuse to accept that paradigm.

so as soon as they see me denounce the fde's, they say "see , Roste endorses the TPA companies." I won't give them that satisfaction, because if anybody took a few minutes to look on the web, they will see many statements I have made that take the fde's to task. If they don't want to look for them, that is not my problem.

do you really think i think the fde's do a good job? I don't have to take up anyone elses banner. i take up my own.

If someone is vehemently against drunk driving, and that is their cause all day long, and I am against spousal abuse and I like to bring that to light as #1 problem, just because I don't put drunk driving first as my cause, it doesn't mean I am for drunk driving! Do you guys get it by now?

People will accuse someone of being for drunk driving if that person doesn't give up their cause they hold close to their heart and take up someone elses as #1.

Richard, give up dolphins and take up saving the spotted owls, if you don't then you must want to see the owls wiped out. Is that fair?

That's how people portray me and I resent it. End of the FDE discussion because I can only say it 63,000 times. I have told Fudd this many, many times, and he doesn't care, and only spreads the rumors about me that I resent. Take his side and do what you want with it. It's a straw man argument, always has been, and always will be.

Travis - copy and paste two or three quotes of yours on any website that come from an attack of yours against the FDE's and I will then believe your side of this story and you will have a convert now.
People do not see the denouncing of FDE's as an endorsement of the alphabet guys. At least I don't and I have never seen such a statement from anyone on this board stating that.
Fuddj dounces both sides regularly. Chris Williams denounces both sides. I denounce all of them. You have not done that here to the best of my knowledge.
All of the people on this board denounce the FDE's and are awakening to what the alphabet guys are doing.
OK, lets see those statements of yours from the past where you denounce the FDE's. Ok??

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Travis - copy and paste two or three quotes of yours on any website that come from an attack of yours against the FDE's and I will then believe your side of this story and you will have a convert now.
People do not see the denouncing of FDE's as an endorsement of the alphabet guys. At least I don't and I have never seen such a statement from anyone on this board stating that.
Fuddj dounces both sides regularly. Chris Williams denounces both sides. I denounce all of them. You have not done that here to the best of my knowledge.
All of the people on this board denounce the FDE's and are awakening to what the alphabet guys are doing.
OK, lets see those statements of yours from the past where you denounce the FDE's. Ok??

chuck tapia keeps making it personal, calling out my name, i dont call out his, and mention him unless it is a response. He has dogged me on three separate sites now, and I have not started the confrontation with him, but he has pursued it. somehow he needs my validation of his issue to be able to go on with his life. He needs me. I don't need him. If he doesn't believe in what i believe in, i don't care. its no big deal to me, but evidently i have to believe in his crusade first and foremost, above all else, ahead of my first born or else the earth will stop rotating.

[travrosty]

Here are the Cy Young signatures for the psa and jsa certed items that went for 41000 dollars respectively and the one in pencil that is currently up at heritage, that was also up last summer but went unsold.

These two signatures of Young, unlike the rest, actually seem very similar, and its quite possible they were signed by the same hand, unfortunately in my opinion, it was not in the hand of Cy Young.

You can see the autographs kind of aimlessly skip along with weak purpose, with shallow valleys in the u and n in Young, instead of the purposeful, distinct higher valleys and peaks we usually see in authentic versions of Young's signature, as shown on Haulsofshame.com.

These both got passed by jsa and psa, but should they have?

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by travrosty

chuck tapia keeps making it personal, calling out my name, i dont call out his, and mention him unless it is a response. He has dogged me on three separate sites now, and I have not started the confrontation with him, but he has pursued it. somehow he needs my validation of his issue to be able to go on with his life. He needs me. I don't need him. If he doesn't believe in what i believe in, i don't care. its no big deal to me, but evidently i have to believe in his crusade first and foremost, above all else, ahead of my first born or else the earth will stop rotating.

dude, I'm a collector and I denounce forgeries PERIOD. I NEVER had a bone to pick with you and I stand by my comments. I have NEVER dodged anyone anytime or anywhere.... "On 3 separate occasions"... please now your'e making me laugh. I have never spoke bad about you. I do not have an agenda like you do. for the record. I don't need your validation for anything. This is a blog dummy.

If you need to hate on me go ahead, I'm a friggen collector and I really could give a rats ass about all this "he said, she said" crap so knock it off already. You are just showing people how narrow minded you are. I even agree with you more times than not. You apparently can't get a lot of things though your thick skull....and for sake of verification, why don't you add your name to your monniker here like everyone else does. I could care less who knows me or my name just like you do, so just stop the non sense spewing already. No wonder you've been kicked off of other blogs.

[Caseyatbat]

Anyways, on a much less personal note...Regarding the CC garbage that was pictured in this thread by Richard previously. This is something that has been going on there for years now. How long until the "mystery man" behind all of the bogus stuff is arrested by the authorities. Clearly, most of CC's garbage is signed by the exact same hand. We can sit here and blame their authenticator (CM) all day, but he is just giving his "unrespected worthless opinion". What I want to know is, why is the actual "forger" not being hunted or targeted? How much money and damage to our hobby are we going to allow him to make?

Legal authorities should have raided that place long ago, and gotten the names of their major consignors - who clearly have close personal ties with the "mystery forger". Or maybe its more obvious than we think, is it possible all of the bogus stuff is being produced "in-house"? or possibly by the blanket authenticator himself?

What makes this situation different than "Operation Bullpen"? I would think "OB" would have been a much more difficult mess for the authorities to deal with. In that scenario, the bogus stuff was being sold in many places. This stuff for the most part is all originating and being sold through one central location. Obviously the "buyers" of this stuff will try to resell it elsewhere, but not anywhere legitimate.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Excellent posts by Richard Simon and Chuck Tapia (Fuddjcal).

If Travis wants to be anti-third party, then that’s his choice, but here's my issue with you, Travis. You continue to rant day after day against third-party authenticators, but when confronted about why you don't rant against an FDE like Chris Morales, you claim (and I'm paraphrasing) "that it's old news." Well, as long as Chris Morales continues to "authenticate" crap for Coach's Corner, it will never be old news.

I'm sure there's a reason why you don't rant against an FDE like Chris Morales; maybe you're afraid of offending someone, but that is your choice.

Tell me, Travis, can you show me ten Muhammad Ali signed items that are authenticated by Chris Morales that are 100% authentic? Can you? Can you show me ten Babe Ruth signed baseballs that are authenticated by Chris Morales that are 100% authentic?

I have yet to see anything that Morales has authenticated that is actually authentic; so in my book, he is wrong 100% of the time. As a matter of fact, I just checked the Morales certed items in this month's Coach's Corner listings and once again I did not see one item that he certed that in my opinion is authentic. Of course, I tried to do that on Ebay, but there are no Chris Morales certed autographs on Ebay because he is on Ebay's "Banned COA List."

Of course, Travis, you always mention the dollar amounts when you post a rant against PSA. But what about the Morales certed dollar amounts, Travis? Are those dollar amounts irrelevant? Maybe you think the people that buy that crap don't matter and have no impact on the hobby. Do you really think that a Babe Ruth signed baseball certed by Chris Morales, that sells on the Coach's Corner auction site for $400.00, isn't a big deal? Well, it is a big deal when you discover that $400.00 ball ends up being sold in a retail store in Las Vegas for ten times the purchase price. But I guess those "dollar amounts" aren't a big deal.

Travis, what about the person who bought the below pathetic Derek Jeter forgery? I guess the dollar amount the buyer paid for this piece-of-crap Jeter forgery doesn't count.

Jeter-TMueller-Forgery.jpg


Travis, you once wrote "6 FDE items = what? 60 bucks? They are selling Mantle, Williams & DiMaggio for $10 each? And the FDE's are the problem? Sheesh!"

First of all, you write "6 FDE items = what? 60 bucks?" The number "6" you quote is actually in the thousands. And those thousands of items sold anywhere between $1.00 and $200.00. Not to mention the profit-making shipping charges. But for argument sake, let's say the number is only "6." Are telling me, that when those "6" discover that their FDE certed autographs are forgeries, that it doesn't matter to those "6" buyers? As a matter of fact, hundreds of those buyers tried to flip that crap on Ebay and I can almost guarantee, that most, if not all of them, were removed.

Judging from your comments, Travis, the mistakes made by "XYZ" and "ABC" are having a major impact on the hobby. Does that mean that the thousands of pieces of crap certed by Morales over the past eight years haven't had a major impact on the hobby?

You and other people jumped all over John Reznikoff when he made a mistake on the Pawn Stars reality show, but not a peep about Drew Max, FDE, when, after he examined a FDR Letter To Clergy, said on the Pawn Stars reality show "When you put it all together, there's only one conclusion, this thing is definitely authentic." Even though that FDR Letter To Clergy was a clear reproduction and one of 121, 700 reproductions sent to clergymen throughout the US. But not a peep about Drew Max from you or the other people.

Below is the link to the story I wrote about the FDR Letter To Clergy.

http://live.autographmagazine.com/pr...to-clergy-pawn

What you do, Travis, is called selective bashing; and you have every right to do that, Travis, just like I have every right to call, what you do, as selective bashing.

Has PSA made mistakes? Yes. Has JSA made mistakes? Yes. Now here's a real number. During the eight years of looking at Chris Morales certed autographs, I have yet to see one autograph that I would consider authentic. Not one. And I would bet my life that PSA has a huge rejection database. Does Chris Morales even have a rejection database?

If I had a choice between someone who gets it right between 96%-99% of the time and someone who gets it wrong between 99% and 100% of the time, who do you think I'm going to choose?

[thekingofclout]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Excellent posts by Richard Simon and Chuck Tapia (Fuddjcal).

If Travis wants to be anti-third party, then that’s his choice, but here's my issue with you, Travis. You continue to rant day after day against third-party authenticators, but when confronted about why you don't rant against an FDE like Chris Morales, you claim (and I'm paraphrasing) "that it's old news." Well, as long as Chris Morales continues to "authenticate" crap for Coach's Corner, it will never be old news.

I'm sure there's a reason why you don't rant against an FDE like Chris Morales; maybe you're afraid of offending someone, but that is your choice.

Tell me, Travis, can you show me ten Muhammad Ali signed items that are authenticated by Chris Morales that are 100% authentic? Can you? Can you show me ten Babe Ruth signed baseballs that are authenticated by Chris Morales that are 100% authentic?

I have yet to see anything that Morales has authenticated that is actually authentic; so in my book, he is wrong 100% of the time. As a matter of fact, I just checked the Morales certed items in this month's Coach's Corner listings and once again I did not see one item that he certed that in my opinion is authentic. Of course, I tried to do that on Ebay, but there are no Chris Morales certed autographs on Ebay because he is on Ebay's "Banned COA List."

Of course, Travis, you always mention the dollar amounts when you post a rant against PSA. But what about the Morales certed dollar amounts, Travis? Are those dollar amounts irrelevant? Maybe you think the people that buy that crap don't matter and have no impact on the hobby. Do you really think that a Babe Ruth signed baseball certed by Chris Morales, that sells on the Coach's Corner auction site for $400.00, isn't a big deal? Well, it is a big deal when you discover that $400.00 ball ends up being sold in a retail store in Las Vegas for ten times the purchase price. But I guess those "dollar amounts" aren't a big deal.

Travis, what about the person who bought the below pathetic Derek Jeter forgery? I guess the dollar amount the buyer paid for this piece-of-crap Jeter forgery doesn't count.

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Travis, you once wrote "6 FDE items = what? 60 bucks? They are selling Mantle, Williams & DiMaggio for $10 each? And the FDE's are the problem? Sheesh!"

First of all, you write "6 FDE items = what? 60 bucks?" The number "6" you quote is actually in the thousands. And those thousands of items sold anywhere between $1.00 and $200.00. Not to mention the profit-making shipping charges. But for argument sakes, let's say the number is only "6." Are telling me, that when those "6" discover that their FDE certed autographs are forgeries, that it doesn't matter to those "6" buyers? As a matter of fact, hundreds of those buyers tried to flip that crap on Ebay and I can almost guarantee, that most, if not all of them, were removed.

Judging from your comments, Travis, the mistakes made by "XYZ" and "ABC" are having a major impact on the hobby. Does that mean that the thousands of pieces of crap certed by Morales over the past eight years haven't had a major impact on the hobby?

You and other people jumped all over John Reznikoff when he made a mistake on the Pawn Stars reality show, but not a peep about Drew Max, FDE, when, after he examined a FDR Letter To Clergy, said on the Pawn Stars reality show "When you put it all together, there's only one conclusion, this thing is definitely authentic." Even though that FDR Letter To Clergy was a clear reproduction and one of 121, 700 reproductions sent to clergymen throughout the US. But not a peep about Drew Max from you or the other people.

Below is the link to the story I wrote about the FDR Letter To Clergy.

http://live.autographmagazine.com/pr...to-clergy-pawn

What you do, Travis, is called selective bashing; and you have every right to do that, Travis, just like I have every right to call, what you do, as selective bashing.

Has PSA made mistakes? Yes. Has JSA made mistakes? Yes. Now here's a real number. During the eight years of looking at Chris Morales certed autographs, I have yet to see one autograph that I would consider authentic. Not one. And I would bet my life that PSA has a huge rejection database. Does Chris Morales even have a rejection database?

If I had a choice between someone who gets it right between 96%-99% of the time and someone who gets it wrong between 99% and 100% of the time, who do you think I'm going to choose?

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[GrayGhost]

GREAT post Chris.