When did collecting turn into a way of investing and making money?

[bcbgcbrcb]

1981 Topps Fernando Valenzuela & Tim Raines rookie cards................

[Chris-Counts]

The first cards I recall being hyped as money-making ventures were the 1954 Topps Aaron and the 1963 Topps Rose rookie. This was in about 1976 or 1977. I believe the Rose rookies were faked at about this time a well, a sure sign that money-making was becoming a bigger part of the hobby ...

[pitchernut]

3 to 4 years after ebay came online.

[CMIZ5290]

My biggest failure from an investment point was 1987 bellingham griffey rookies. I bought 15 or so back in the late 90's, all psa 10's, sgc 98's, and beckett 9.5's. The market value on them then was $2000-4000. Beckett 9.5's at the time were bringing the most because they were the new kids on the block and their prices were really ringing the bell. I still have 10 or so left and would kill just to get 30% of my investment!

[Exhibitman]

I attended my first show in 1976 and was setting up at shows by 1978. It became an investment around the time the first price guides came onto the market and took off when (1) the key 1950s rookies and desirable cards soared in price and (2) modern rookie cards became a craze. By 1980 the race for cardboard gold was on in full force. I recall buying a 1953 Topps Mays for $25 in 1976 and being able to flip it for $500 in 1980. 1981 marked the start of the multiple issuer modern cards and the Fleer error cards like the "Craig" Nettles soared in value. Then came the rookie card thing, which hit its stride with 1984 Donruss and Don Mattingly and peaked with the 1989 UD Ken Griffey Jr. I'd characterize that as more the penny stocks phase of things; lots of people made money on short term trades of rookies but anyone who held on to those cards thinking they had a nest egg were sorely disappointed [should have invested in a solid American company's stock, like Braniff Airways]. Since the hobby has spawned full time dealers, price guides and the National it has become an entrenched business. There was an [in]famous Sports Illustrated artice about Alan Rosen and another study by some economists that determined one of the best ROIs over a decade had been old baseball cards. People who are in the business of selling the general public stocks, bonds and other casino bets grudgingly will admit that baseball cards, art and other collectibles are "nontraditional investments" but will advise their marks, er, clients to allocate no more than 10% of their investment money in it. Ebay was another boon to it IMO as it adds liquidity to the market and eliminates middlemen. It is possible to engage in the equivalent of short term trading with Ebay: spot an undervalued or misrepresented item, snag it, flip it.

[Leon]

I was late to the game only starting back collecting in 1996'ish from my early childhood (late '60s). That being said, 3 yrs later when I discovered Ebay, that is when I thought this (collecting and the money in it) could be big.

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[ullmandds]

I agree with a lot of what's already been sain...but for me...I remember as a kid in the late 70's...the Aaron, Rose, Seaver, Ryan rookies being hyped. The price guides were present from the beginning for me...and the financial aspect of collecting was present from the get go for me in the hobby.

I never sold any of my cards until I sold most of my collection to buy a car in 1987...then when I returned to the hobby in 90' or so...the boom was in full swing...mainly for the new cards...esp Griffey rookies, Mattingly rookies...anything speculative was uber hot! Vintage could still be had at relatively reasonable prices comparatively.

[steve B]

I got into the hobby just about 2 years later. Went to my first show in 78. Setup at a show much later though.

And from what I recall this is a pretty concise view of how things went.

The 80's were amazing, and yes the returns for people who could buy and sell well were excellent. (Sadly I'm not one of them) But that was a unique situation. The days of 100%+ gains over a year or two are gone and won't be back. it was a perfect storm of enough availability to hype, a hobby that had been very small with few collectors and hardly any dealers. And prices that allowed many people to think completing sets would be possible if not always easy. Most adults with halfway decent jobs could afford a Goudey set in vg. Today the demand for the star cards has made a set a financial challenge while at the same time the internet has made it easier if you've got the money.

I think Ebay can be partly to blame for collecting of modern cards faltering. There was some stuff I knew was way overproduced, but felt demand would keep things propped up. (88 and 90 Donruss, and most other 86-93 sets) I did think a few of the sets from 94 and on would eventually be "good".
Then Ebay came along and we all found out just how overproduced all that stuff was. I'm still not quite off the bandwagon of some modern stuff having small enough press runs that it'll be ok eventually. But realistically That will be wrong too.

Steve B

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I attended my first show in 1976 and was setting up at shows by 1978. It became an investment around the time the first price guides came onto the market and took off when (1) the key 1950s rookies and desirable cards soared in price and (2) modern rookie cards became a craze. By 1980 the race for cardboard gold was on in full force. I recall buying a 1953 Topps Mays for $25 in 1976 and being able to flip it for $500 in 1980. 1981 marked the start of the multiple issuer modern cards and the Fleer error cards like the "Craig" Nettles soared in value. Then came the rookie card thing, which hit its stride with 1984 Donruss and Don Mattingly and peaked with the 1989 UD Ken Griffey Jr. I'd characterize that as more the penny stocks phase of things; lots of people made money on short term trades of rookies but anyone who held on to those cards thinking they had a nest egg were sorely disappointed [should have invested in a solid American company's stock, like Braniff Airways]. Since the hobby has spawned full time dealers, price guides and the National it has become an entrenched business. There was an [in]famous Sports Illustrated artice about Alan Rosen and another study by some economists that determined one of the best ROIs over a decade had been old baseball cards. People who are in the business of selling the general public stocks, bonds and other casino bets grudgingly will admit that baseball cards, art and other collectibles are "nontraditional investments" but will advise their marks, er, clients to allocate no more than 10% of their investment money in it. Ebay was another boon to it IMO as it adds liquidity to the market and eliminates middlemen. It is possible to engage in the equivalent of short term trading with Ebay: spot an undervalued or misrepresented item, snag it, flip it.

[Fred]

I think my first introduction to the rookie card craze was when I was happened to be in Tucson in 1984 and Scott Bradshaw (I think it was him) was ripping through huge amounts of 1984 cellos, wax or vending boxes trying to extract the Don Mattingly cards and selling them for a couple of bucks a piece. I was absolutely stunned that someone would pay a few bucks for a nobody because it was their first appearance on a baseball card. I never got into the rookie card thing but I do recall buying a lot of (100) 1984 Dan Marino rookies for about 39 cents each and then selling and trading them after they went ballistic.

The funny part was the when everyone was knocking themselves over the rookie cards the vintage stuff was still relatively cheap. I could never understand why someone would spend $35 on a bunch of "rookie" cards when they could have picked up a decent T205 of Matty for that price.

I've definitely bought more than I've sold but I regret selling a lot of the stuff that I did have just because I could make a bit of money off of what I paid for the cards. I've let a few really nice things go, for example a full run of 52T semi-highs (minus Mays) in at least ExMt+ condition.