Opinions on ebay item return

Taxman · #1 01-09-2012, 09:56 AM

JoeyF aka italianz31 did the same thing to me over a sale. His excuse was his grandmother had died and his girlfriend was pregnant. Prior to being banned on the PSA board he pulled the same thing on another member. JoeyF and his alts Sam1952, Joey, Mantlefan81, jboog are trouble.

Kirk

Leon · #2 01-09-2012, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Taxman

JoeyF aka italianz31 did the same thing to me over a sale. His excuse was his grandmother had died and his girlfriend was pregnant. Prior to being banned on the PSA board he pulled the same thing on another member. JoeyF and his alts Sam1952, Joey, Mantlefan81, jboog are trouble.

Kirk

And the plot thickens. There have actually been some alleged harmful threats made by this person too, to another board member....which are right now, being looked into. Not good....

Taxman · #3 01-09-2012, 10:06 AM

Leon,

Prior to Joey being banned on the PSA board he stated numerous threats to members from going to their house, to slapping them. All of his posts contained numerous expletives and threats. He is drama no matter which board he post. Here is a link to the SGC board where he created an alt and was caught.

http://www.sgccard.com/boards/ubbthr...=1#Post2004307

Kirk K

Leon · #4 01-09-2012, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Taxman

JoeyF aka italianz31 did the same thing to me over a sale. His excuse was his grandmother had died and his girlfriend was pregnant. Prior to being banned on the PSA board he pulled the same thing on another member. JoeyF and his alts Sam1952, Joey, Mantlefan81, jboog are trouble.

Kirk

I just had a long talk with JoeyF on the phone. Did you post this guys contact info on the PSA board? He is saying that ALL is good right now between ya'll, is this true? According to Joey, you are the issue and have been harassing him? Joey admits to the different ID's on different venues but is NOT Sam1952, which is my biggest issue right now. SAM1952 and I need to have a conversation.

According to JoeyF, he has had some issues, made some mistakes, but never has scammed or ripped anyone off or made any threats....which are all big issues in my book, if they were done.

Taxman · #5 01-09-2012, 10:48 AM

I posted a picture from his facebook account on the PSA board after he continued to make personal threats against me and others. Its true a picture says a thousand words especially in this case and explains the gang lingo in his post. I deleted it after a few board members said that was crossing the line. Although I only posted it after Joey threatened to come to "my house and take a dump on my front porch". Obviously, from this thread and others I am not the only person Joey has threatened.

Leon · #6 01-09-2012, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Taxman

I posted a picture from his facebook account on the PSA board after he continued to make personal threats against me and others. Its true a picture says a thousand words especially in this case and explains the gang lingo in his post. I deleted it after a few board members said that was crossing the line. Although I only posted it after Joey threatened to come to "my house and take a dump on my front porch". Obviously, from this thread and others I am not the only person Joey has threatened.

Ok, my final conclusion (as of now) on this particular situation is......I don't think pooping on someone's porch is cause for the FBI to get involved or even someone to feel threatened, necessarily. If anyone poops on my front porch I will let my miniature beagle take care of them...that'll teach them. I don't think Joey is a bad guy but, according to him too, has made some mistakes. I have not seen where he has scammed, ripped off, or seriously threatened anyone on this board. I am willing to start with a clean slate on JoeyF. Also, for the record, if someone backs out of 1-2 deals, communicates well and is apologetic and doesn't rip anyone off, then to me, that is life and it happens. If it happens much more than that, in a short time period, then that person probably shouldn't be on our BST.

On the other hand, this SAM1952, is a person that I do believe has allegedly made very serious threats to another board member and that will not be tolerated at all. From my records, right now, I don't think JoeyF and Sam1952 are the same person. I will always work with the authorities and members to help in those instances.

JoeyF · #7 01-09-2012, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

Ok, my final conclusion (as of now) on this particular situation is......I don't think pooping on someone's porch is cause for the FBI to get involved or even someone to feel threatened, necessarily. If anyone poops on my front porch I will let my miniature beagle take care of them...that'll teach them. I don't think Joey is a bad guy but, according to him too, has made some mistakes. I have not seen where he has scammed, ripped off, or seriously threatened anyone on this board. I am willing to start with a clean slate on JoeyF. Also, for the record, if someone backs out of 1-2 deals, communicates well and is apologetic and doesn't rip anyone off, then to me, that is life and it happens. If it happens much more than that, in a short time period, then that person probably shouldn't be on our BST.

On the other hand, this SAM1952, is a person that I do believe has allegedly made very serious threats to another board member and that will not be tolerated at all. From my records, right now, I don't think JoeyF and Sam1952 are the same person. I will always work with the authorities and members to help in those instances.

i appreciate it Leon. I was in contact with chris thomas from collectors universe to check ip addresses between me and this sam1952 guy. he told me he could do that would get back to me. Ive emailed him a couple days ago but have not heard a response from him. Any type of terrorist threat deserves some kind of action and I hope your able to contact him regarding his issues. Just for the record I ALWAYS deliver the cards I sell and ALWAYS provide tracking # info and will continue to be a straight up seller on every transaction

Taxman · #8 01-09-2012, 11:38 AM

Yes, I bought those cards from you but lets hear the rest of the story. You bought the Namath card from a dealer on Ebay for 650 dollars and sent it to SGC only to realize it was trimmed. Thus you put it for sale on SGC and I bought it needing a rookie to get signed(trimmed didnt matter). You sold me the card for 400 and in turn went back to the Ebay seller and requested a refund. The Ebay seller gave you back 250 dollars to GO AWAY....Thus you were not out any money....The 54 Williams you bought from an Ebay seller(big raw card seller on Ebay.)for 1000+ sent to PSA to get graded and came back a 4...again you advertise on SGC and I agree to buy for 625. Later you admitted going back to the seller and getting a refund for a huge portion of the card and actually making money when adding it back to the amount I paid) You stated your grandmother died and your girlfriend was pregnant therefore you needed money FAST. I send you payment via paypal and you accept...Then 3 hours later you refund the money and say its not enough....Later that day you list it on Ebay for 750 buy it now and I buy it off ebay....I promptly pay as required by Ebay buy it now. Once you realize I bought the card you start saying Im not sending you the card.....Therefore I google your name and address to find out if you had done this to other people.

Your pattern is to buy HIGH and SELL low...Buy a card then resale to someone else while going back to the original seller and asking for a refund thus making a profit on the back end.

Example...buy off Ebay for 1000 sale to someone elso for 700 go back to original seller and get 400 refund not to leave a NEGATIVE...Thus making 100....This is the only explanation for your purchase habits.

Kirk K

danmckee · #9 01-09-2012, 11:46 AM

WOW! Now there is an interesting point! I have an email from him asking if I could do any better on the price before he returns the card to me. Interesting way to do business if that is a pattern.

Naturally I refused and just said to kindly return it for a full refund.

Very interesting!

JoeyF · #10 01-09-2012, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Taxman

Yes, I bought those cards from you but lets hear the rest of the story. You bought the Namath card from a dealer on Ebay for 650 dollars and sent it to SGC only to realize it was trimmed. Thus you put it for sale on SGC and I bought it needing a rookie to get signed(trimmed didnt matter). You sold me the card for 400 and in turn went back to the Ebay seller and requested a refund. The Ebay seller gave you back 250 dollars to GO AWAY....Thus you were not out any money....The 54 Williams you bought from an Ebay seller(big raw card seller on Ebay.)for 1000+ sent to PSA to get graded and came back a 4...again you advertise on SGC and I agree to buy for 625. Later you admitted going back to the seller and getting a refund for a huge portion of the card and actually making money when adding it back to the amount I paid) You stated your grandmother died and your girlfriend was pregnant therefore you needed money FAST. I send you payment via paypal and you accept...Then 3 hours later you refund the money and say its not enough....Later that day you list it on Ebay for 750 buy it now and I buy it off ebay....I promptly pay as required by Ebay buy it now. Once you realize I bought the card you start saying Im not sending you the card.....Therefore I google your name and address to find out if you had done this to other people.

Your pattern is to buy HIGH and SELL low...Buy a card then resale to someone else while going back to the original seller and asking for a refund thus making a profit on the back end.

Example...buy off Ebay for 1000 sale to someone elso for 700 go back to original seller and get 400 refund not to leave a NEGATIVE...Thus making 100....This is the only explanation for your purchase habits.

You NEVER paid me $750 for the 54 williams. You paid me $625 for the williams. the original seller agreed to refund me $200 for the williams card because I told him that he mis-represented the card because he told me it was in EX condition and ended up grading a 4. he offered me money back so i wouldnt leave negative feedback. The seller is battlefield on ebay and anybody that has seen there auctions can agree that they over exaggerate on the condition of there raw cards which i later found out. And NO i didnt make any profit on any of the cards i sold you. You on the other hand bought my williams for 625 only to turn around and post on ebay for 1400 obo. So whats your problem? You made out..be happy and quit stalking me. You got your cards as our agreement. I sold them to you for way under book value. Now move on!

JoeyF · #11 01-09-2012, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Taxman

Yes, I bought those cards from you but lets hear the rest of the story. You bought the Namath card from a dealer on Ebay for 650 dollars and sent it to SGC only to realize it was trimmed. Thus you put it for sale on SGC and I bought it needing a rookie to get signed(trimmed didnt matter). You sold me the card for 400 and in turn went back to the Ebay seller and requested a refund. The Ebay seller gave you back 250 dollars to GO AWAY....Thus you were not out any money....The 54 Williams you bought from an Ebay seller(big raw card seller on Ebay.)for 1000+ sent to PSA to get graded and came back a 4...again you advertise on SGC and I agree to buy for 625. Later you admitted going back to the seller and getting a refund for a huge portion of the card and actually making money when adding it back to the amount I paid) You stated your grandmother died and your girlfriend was pregnant therefore you needed money FAST. I send you payment via paypal and you accept...Then 3 hours later you refund the money and say its not enough....Later that day you list it on Ebay for 750 buy it now and I buy it off ebay....I promptly pay as required by Ebay buy it now. Once you realize I bought the card you start saying Im not sending you the card.....Therefore I google your name and address to find out if you had done this to other people.

Your pattern is to buy HIGH and SELL low...Buy a card then resale to someone else while going back to the original seller and asking for a refund thus making a profit on the back end.

Example...buy off Ebay for 1000 sale to someone elso for 700 go back to original seller and get 400 refund not to leave a NEGATIVE...Thus making 100....This is the only explanation for your purchase habits.

And be honest, you googled my info only to post my parents names on psa, you google mapped my girlfriends house and told me what my back yard looked like, you posted my picture on psa, you insulted my dead grandmother, you text me multiple times harassing me, you posted my personal info on psa. anything else im forgetting?

JoeyF · #12 01-09-2012, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Taxman

I posted a picture from his facebook account on the PSA board after he continued to make personal threats against me and others. Its true a picture says a thousand words especially in this case and explains the gang lingo in his post. I deleted it after a few board members said that was crossing the line. Although I only posted it after Joey threatened to come to "my house and take a dump on my front porch". Obviously, from this thread and others I am not the only person Joey has threatened.

Excuse me?? Gang lingo?? I am in no way part of a gang or have any affiliation with a gang. Im a hard working ADULT just like the majority of people on this forum. Mrmint why dont you address the fact that you did the following: Googled my address including looking at pictures of it on google earth, constantly disrespected my dead grandmother, posted a picture of me, posted my parents names on psa, threatened me, tried to investigate my grandmothers death. Did I or did I not sell you a 54 bowman ted williams and 65 topps joe namath? Did I or did I not sell them to you for a good price and then you later posted them for sale on ebay??? Why dont you address the fact that you constantly harass me and post my personal info all over the threads. That in my book deserves forum removal.

danmckee · #13 01-09-2012, 10:48 AM

Not me Leon, i haven't posted any personal information anywhere including here about him. Dan.

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