Now I know where Coach's Corners crap goes

[David Atkatz]

On April 21, 1934 (the date this postcard was mailed, in Chicago) the Yankees were playing the Red Sox in Boston. Gehrig went 1 for 2, and walked twice.

And, of course, the postcard was originally written (before the back was cleaned, or pasted over) by a Chicago resident, as the address (which is not in "Lou's hand") only says "City," rather than Chicago.

The handwriting waves all over the card, another giveaway.

[RichardSimon]

And I love those "ground beef" shiny stickers on the front of that GPC.
And these guys are using postmarked postcards or creating their own postmarks to try and give their GPC's some credibility,,, that is not a happy development. I saw two of those yesterday, one Gehrig and one Walter Johnson, just signatures not notes, but they had postmarks and were fake.

[steve B]

The postmark on this one looks real. It has all the right traits of a typical machine postmark. The points about the date and the "city' address that David made pretty much rule out the back message of course.

The only thing I find impressive about this one is the quality of the erasing job.

Steve B

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

And I love those "ground beef" shiny stickers on the front of that GPC.
And these guys are using postmarked postcards or creating their own postmarks to try and give their GPC's some credibility,,, that is not a happy development. I saw two of those yesterday, one Gehrig and one Walter Johnson, just signatures not notes, but they had postmarks and were fake.

[David Atkatz]

And, for good measure, the salutation "Ms." ("Mizz") originated in the 1960s.

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by steve B

The postmark on this one looks real. It has all the right traits of a typical machine postmark. The points about the date and the "city' address that David made pretty much rule out the back message of course.

The only thing I find impressive about this one is the quality of the erasing job.

Steve B

So, what is the opinion of the board on these fake gpcs? Are they faking the postmarks or removing the original ink?

I love me some gpcs and now clearly need to know how to decipher good from bad if at all possible(outside of the signature). How can I determine if a postmark is good? HELP!

[David Atkatz]

The front of this PC is completely genuine.

[RichardSimon]

Where there is a will there is a way.
If there is a crooked way for forgers to sell autographs then somone will figure out a way to do it.
In this same vein, I saw a Babe Ruth Foundation check on ebay a couple of years ago. The check was blank and the check number was clearly visible. I immediately thought this could be trouble.
It did sell.
A month later the same check showed up again on ebay. Guess what? It was now filled in and signed with a skilled hand.
I did report it to one of my contacts in LE but one forged item unfortunately won't have much of an impact with LE.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

So, what is the opinion of the board on these fake gpcs? Are they faking the postmarks or removing the original ink?

I would think that it is possible that "they" might be doing both though in this instance it appears that they removed the original writing.
The original forger in the hobby, Ron Dross (don't RIP Ron) had forged signatures on blank unpostmarked GPC's so they could be clearly spotted. But these guys are getting smarter.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Here it is.

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[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Here it is.

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Thanks for putting this up here Truth!

David, How can you tell? Is there something you look at by the stamp in particular that is a dead give away or just years of handling?

Richard, unfortunately there are lots of wills…I trust very few people in this hobby. This is pretty damn good considering..; a couple more steps taken.
It is just too erratic to fool us.... BUT THEY WOULD HAVE FOOLED SOMEONE.

They combined the content of the two examples below....CROOKS!



The damndest thing is... these idiots would do better on ebay selling it with no cert. They went through all this trouble and will only get $120 for it rather than $113.

PS: They ALMOST nailed one letter in "K" ..well.... "KIND" of.

[Shoeless Moe]

Sold in that Indiana auction for $350 over the weekend, that seller on Ebay sold it Sunday b4 having it in hand for $2500.

http://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetai...70012#topoflot


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Christy-Math...item27c22af533

WOW!!!!!!!

[rjackson44]

Wheres the fbi in all this omg.