T205 Question/Theory

[cdn_collector]

Andrew,

George Gibson is available in P25, P42 and Cycle for sure [I used to own all three]. To round out the P42=>AB relation, last year on eBay there was a raw T205 Gibson with an AB back sold. Once upon a time Gibson/AB was unconfirmed by resident T205 experts and it's the first one I'd seen, so it's tough to say the least. That said, I didn't win it, so I can't speak to it's authenticity, but the scans looked legit. At one point I did have copies of said scans and can try to find them to send along if that does anything for you.


Regards,

Richard.

[HRBAKER]

Alright, much more of this type of banter and I am going to suggest that T205s have their own BST page. Carry on.

All in good fun.

[Wite3]

Andrew,
As you know, I have done extensive research on t205 backs over the years. I can answer your Matty question...

The simple answer is that no Broadleaf Matty will exist. You have to compare colors on the American Beauty backs to determine if certain cards exist. Matty does come with AB Green but not Broadleaf. AB green backs are never found with Broadleaf backs.

You research while starting out good...is not quite accurate.

There are many P42 backs that do not come with Broadleaf or American Beauty (Barger as an example).

I have a large spreadsheet of backs and rarity samplings and scans etc. I do not really share it anymore because the last time I shared my research, it was published under another collectors name and I was given no credit whatsoever. BTW, my data contains over 15,000 unique cards that I have either seen scans of or in person. I rarely add anything that I have not seen myself. I have a few collectors who send me information when they come across it. To be honest, the last two pieces of data I added this summer were two new Drum backs that I finally got a scan of. Nothing earth shattering but still interesting. BTW, most people still feel that Drum is the rarest back in T205 but I can no confirm that there seem to be more Drum backs floating around now that Hindu because of the St. Louis find and a find in the Southeast in the last few years.

I can tell you that certain backs do seem to follow a pattern but there are some odd overlaps because there were printing changes that happened in the middle of runs where some cards were removed and some added (like Joss, Breshnahan open, and Hoblitzels).

I enjoy your threads about the t205s and keep up the research. If you want to compile information one day and want to write an article together, I would be happy to help you.

Joshua

[frohme]

Originally Posted by cdn_collector

Andrew,

George Gibson is available in P25, P42 and Cycle for sure [I used to own all three]. To round out the P42=>AB relation, last year on eBay there was a raw T205 Gibson with an AB back sold. Once upon a time Gibson/AB was unconfirmed by resident T205 experts and it's the first one I'd seen, so it's tough to say the least. That said, I didn't win it, so I can't speak to it's authenticity, but the scans looked legit. At one point I did have copies of said scans and can try to find them to send along if that does anything for you.


Regards,

Richard.

Hey Richard,

I can (or should have been able to) confirm Gibson with AB (Green). Was outbid on it on eBay in late 2010 if I recall and thought I had saved a scan but can't find it right now. If I do, I'll post it.

Add it to the list of others you'll want to reassemble ...
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Mike

[dog*dirt]

Josh,

I was just throwing some thoughts around. I do not have enough hard data to prove or disprove anything. There is just some head scratching for me when some backs follow a certain pattern and then others that should follow the pattern do not.

Also what is interesting is when some of the most commons backs for most of the set are fairly scarce on some cards.

Thanks again for all your work concerning the T205's

[cdn_collector]

Originally Posted by frohme

Hey Richard,

I can (or should have been able to) confirm Gibson with AB (Green). Was outbid on it on eBay in late 2010 if I recall and thought I had saved a scan but can't find it right now. If I do, I'll post it.

Add it to the list of others you'll want to reassemble ...
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Mike

You saw the one that I saw, I'm guessing. I almost bid just because I had never seen that combo before, and even emailed the seller for better scans, but decided to pass simply because I wasn't collecting Gibson at the time. I'm sure I'll regret that at some point, but c'est la vie.

Regards,

Richard.

[Wite3]

I can confirm that Gibson comes with a green American Beauty back...

Joshua

Andrew I have noticed that there are both. The bl's I have owned were a mix of Midwest players. Only 3 of the 10 were east coast players and they were all giants

Josh I would like to look at any info you want to share. I have really just started to focus on research since it is free and keeps me immersed in my T205's. I have noticed the AB black and BL connection a while back but really never focused on it because I have been looking in other areas. Thanks for confirming that for me. I was unsure so didn't want to throw out to much.

If anyone wants to share info please email me @ pup6913@hotmail.com. Any info you send will be kept confidential and shared only between those that have provided research. I am looking forward to those who will be sending info as well as thank you guys for those who have. I think it's time the hobby gets a better look at the elusive T205 and maybe shine some light on the unknown