Top T206 Wagner's in existence (according to Legendary)

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Could be. The fact is, though - 3 out of the 'top 10' were hacked, AND the Wagner is scarce. The fact that there are other jumbos out there doesn't change my opinion on this. To me, the math doesn't add up for the theory that production began and then was halted due to Wagner complaining. To me, we would see more cards - also, people were more likely to save cards of guys like Wagner.

I'm also a hack - much moreso than you, and I have no idea what your website comment has to do with anything.

Scott,

Curious to know what information you can share which of the top 10 cards above have been hacked besides the obvious P150 PSA 8. I would love to hear this.

I still disagree with you’re reasoning I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around it….

You basically say that because you feel many Wagner’s are trimmed and there are 50 or cards in your opinion that the card never made it into production. Using that same set of standards and applying it to other T206 rarities then would you say the following were also never issued?

Brown Lenox 15-20+ examples known with trimmed examples.

Broad Leaf 460 40-50+ Examples known with trimmed examples.

Were these cards also not issued to the public? They fit your criteria 50 or so examples or very few left and trimmed ones are present. I’m just not following you and that’s ok.

John

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Scott,

Curious to know what information you can share which of the top 10 cards above have been hacked besides the obvious P150 PSA 8. I would love to hear this.

Sorry, 'Jumbo', not necessarily trimmed. No new information - just assuming Peter's comment was correct. Peter, if you were lying to us, I'm crawling through my computer screen and swatting you.

I still disagree with you’re reasoning I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around it….

You basically say that because you feel many Wagner’s are trimmed and there are 50 or cards in your opinion that the card never made it into production. Using that same set of standards and applying it to other T206 rarities then would you say the following were also never issued?

Brown Lenox 15-20+ examples known with trimmed examples.

Broad Leaf 460 40-50+ Examples known with trimmed examples.

Were these cards also not issued to the public? They fit your criteria 50 or so examples or very few left and trimmed ones are present. I’m just not following you and that’s ok.

John

John, I think your logic regarding my logic is faulty An apple is round and an orange is round. That doesn't make an apple an orange.

Besides, I'm just guessing. I haven't seen any theories that made more sense, so I've submitted my own. If it appears on your new website, please acknowledge me.

The BL 460 and brown Lennox are not all involving a single player. My thinking is that the backs on the Wagner are somewhat irrelevant in trying to determine how/why so few were produced - the 'Wagner producers' chose backs that they were printing at the time for other cards in the series, and printed them on the backs of the sheets containing Wagners.

Another reason my theory is probably wrong is that you would expect to see some scrap Wagners as well, and I don't think any exist - please correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm just tossing this out there for discussion. It's probably wrong.

I don't appreciate your mentioning the rarity of BL 460's - I know it's just a cruel jab at me, realizing I'm still in mourning over my two losses seven years ago

[glchen]

And the Dreier Wagner is sold. That was fast.

[sb1]

"I don't appreciate your mentioning the rarity of BL 460's - I know it's just a cruel jab at me, realizing I'm still in mourning over my two losses seven years ago "

They went to a good home, I still have the best one, at least in my eyes, SGC saw differently.

[Epps]

Does anyone know what it sold for? Thanks!

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by sb1

"I don't appreciate your mentioning the rarity of BL 460's - I know it's just a cruel jab at me, realizing I'm still in mourning over my two losses seven years ago "

They went to a good home, I still have the best one, at least in my eyes, SGC saw differently.

I thought that one (O'Leary) went to someone else?

[sb1]

I'll have to check to see which one I kept. I got one graded and it came back a 60, I kept the other "nicer" one which was still raw and it came back a 50 a few months later. go figure!

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by sb1

I'll have to check to see which one I kept. I got one graded and it came back a 60, I kept the other "nicer" one which was still raw and it came back a 50 a few months later. go figure!

O'Leary was in a 60, I didn't send Reulbach in because of the big horizontal crease at the bottom.

[snider4prez]

Hey I was the one who got two of those $250 bins but got them stolen away from fellow Net 54ers that wanted to make sure they did the right thing for the seller Make lots of money off them

I think the disclosure of the past owners of T206 Wagners should be private information but thats just me. I do have to give it up to Doug for coming on here and stnading up for what his company writes. No responses from the "upset" people yet? I am sure they would no be upset with Doug if he was able to help them sell there Wagner for a record selling price!!! I would choose Legendary to sell my collection and I know the Dreiers feel the same. But hay what do I know just another drunk armpit collector who can't spell.

Trevor Hocking