Undocumented T206 Variations: Matty Black Cap

[Piratedogcardshows]

The angle of his eye's looks different to me.The right appears to be looking straight on as the left appears to be looking slightly upward.

[mrvster]

SCott!!

YES...this is what i'm talking about......you are the man glad to see you get us thinking

card on left:
1)What's the blue line in the bottom lower right border?? by the name caption??

also- small uniform line missing ???or very light in the pant leg??might not be significant??


my guesses besides the obvious color difference(lighter uniform, sky)

barry is right about the green back ground...chris and the rest...all great observations...


TELL US SCOTT

[toppcat]

This has been discussed before:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...Dark+Cap+Matty

There is a link to a Photobucket album with 13 different Dark Cap Matty's within the thread.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by toppcat

This has been discussed before:

Dave, this thread has nothing to do with a 'halo' around Matty's head. It's about other characteristics. But thanks for your detective-work.

Everyone else - Great observations. The main one I thought would be pointed out is the green background level near his glove; however, the dark splotch in the upper-left of the blue background is an indication of the richer (and browner)-color version. In the past, I thought that that blue splotch was part of an overall heavier application of blue ink, but that doesn't account for the green height-level difference, or the 'brown vs black' difference. Almost looks like a heavier layer of black was applied in the left card, and in the right card - an additional brown layer on top of a light black layer. That heavy brown/light black could also account for the different look of the face.

I will compare the backs/fronts of the 13 images I have, plus the 13 that Dave was nice enough to link us to, and see if I can find a front/back correlation.

[Tsaiko]

Some have a purple between the green and blue, like Dave's number 3 and more so on 11. The purple seems to be even more pronounced here - maybe it's just a scan thing though. The vertical border lines seem to be a bit off too.
Whatever, mo Mattys mo better

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Tsaiko

Some have a purple between the green and blue, like Dave's number 3 and more so on 11. The purple seems to be even more pronounced here - maybe it's just a scan thing though. The vertical border lines seem to be a bit off too.
Whatever, mo Mattys mo better

Tsaiko - good point. I forgot about the purple ones. 5 of my 13 have the purple, which you can tell is from a heavier red layer; in fact, given that almost any red in the background is going to create purple, it might be that for the other versions the red was not part of the background at all.

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Dave, this thread has nothing to do with a 'halo' around Matty's head. It's about other characteristics. But thanks for your detective-work.

I will compare the backs/fronts of the 13 images I have, plus the 13 that Dave was nice enough to link us to, and see if I can find a front/back correlation.

Someone mentioned it above, but that halo effect is indeed present on some of these. Would overinking have been involved in part of the lithographic process vs a design change?

[Brian Weisner]

Hi guys,
You can find dozens of examples of cards with "changing" backgrounds.... From clouds, and sunsets to "Doves" that appear on some cards while not on other's... It's amazing what the volume of ink can do to a card... I wish I could post some scans, but I'm not at home at the moment.
Be well Brian

PS The Ritchey card is one of my favorites.... as well as the Matty above...I have over a dozen dark cap Matty's with different backs and some with the "Halo" effect and some without... I'll try to post some scans when I can...

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Brian Weisner

Hi guys,
You can find dozens of examples of cards with "changing" backgrounds.... From clouds, and sunsets to "Doves" that appear on some cards while not on other's... It's amazing what the volume of ink can do to a card... I wish I could post some scans, but I'm not at home at the moment.
Be well Brian

PS The Ritchey card is one of my favorites.... as well as the Matty above...I have over a dozen dark cap Matty's with different backs and some with the "Halo" effect and some without... I'll try to post some scans when I can...

True, Brian, but the Matty is a bit different - intentional (in my opinion) change in the color usage, not simply a different amount of blue ink in the background.

By the way - this should not surprise anyone. There are several T206 cards where the design was changed only slightly - why? Given cards like the Chase (white vs black cap), Bender (trees/no trees), Mordecai Brown or Evers (jersey)...we could go on and on....it shouldn't be a surprise that at times the designers would take a far simpler route and get a new look by simply changing color distribution, especially with a superprint (tm) card like the black cap Matty that had a better chance of one design getting stale.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by toppcat

Someone mentioned it above, but that halo effect is indeed present on some of these. Would overinking have been involved in part of the lithographic process vs a design change?

The halo effect, to me, is just different amounts of the same blue in the background. Nothing special. But it does result in different appearances, and it's interesting to discuss.

Overinking certainly isn't a design change, but there appears to be an intentional change in the amounts of ink used, and possibly a different color(s) introduced - I detailed this explanation in a previous post that you might not have read. It's obvious to me that there Matty was intentionally given two different looks. Within each look there are, of course, various amounts of ink used.

I'm not going to get my feelings hurt because some people disagree with me This was simply something that interested me, so I'm discussing it. Just like a lot of T206 collectors focus almost entirely on stats and don't really notice the color variations in the cards, I am not so interested in stats and much moreso in the card anomalies and the lithographic process. Some collectors share this interest with me, so we're discussing it.