Just sayin....

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by prewarsports

Those are some pretty insane prices, especially the team photo. Holy Crap!

I agree Rhys!

I had that team photo on my watch list and I couldn't believe that it ended up selling for that much, especially because of the damage to the upper right side of the photo.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Scott Garner

I agree Rhys!

I had that team photo on my watch list and I couldn't believe that it ended up selling for that much, especially because of the damage to the upper right side of the photo.

Yeah, I'm glad I missed noticing all of these; otherwise, I would have put in snipes I was sure would have won, gotten all excited about it....then lost.

Congrats to Jon on the good prices - nice guy, I've been a customer for around eight years and never had a problem. I've also enjoyed a few good conversations with him - asked him for advice, which he shared freely....just like the rest of our Net54 members.

Scott <=== not part of the Net 54 Memorabilia sub-forum Conspiracy Theory think tank

[Hankphenom]

Bidder S**I, the winner of two of the photos and the underbidder on the other one, has bid on 22 items in the last 30 days, every one with this seller. Now that's a loyal buyer! Nothing looked right to me about the bidding on these, but stranger things have happened, I guess.
Hank Thomas

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Bidder S**I, the winner of two of the photos and the underbidder on the other one, has bid on 22 items in the last 30 days, every one with this seller. Now that's a loyal buyer! Nothing looked right to me about the bidding on these, but stranger things have happened, I guess.
Hank Thomas

I don't think it's unusual for ebay sellers to have loyal customers..especially ones who sell similar stuff on a regular basis...And doesn't Jon have a shop? Perhaps people can stop by to look at stuff in person?

[thecatspajamas]

Some buyers are funny that way. Sometimes all it takes is getting outbid on one item to send a determined buyer on a tear to either win or run up the bids on a number of other items with the mindset of, "If I can't have it, I'm at least going to drain the pockets of whoever does win it." While frustrating for the other bidder, it's perfectly legal as long as you follow through with payment on any winning bids. Whether it has the intended result for that buyer or not, it does look very much like shill bidding to a third-party observer (especially when the ID's are scrambled), despite being out of the seller's control.

There is a difference between escalating the bidding and actual shill bidding. If you see the same unique items offered again later, then you'll know or at least have a stronger suspiscion that it's shill bidding. If not, it may have just been a pair of overly-aggressive bidders.

I'll say again, I have no reason to doubt Jon's character or his selling practices. If one of his regulars has some odd or aggressive bidding practices, I would just chalk that up to there being a lot of odd or aggressive buyers out there in the sports collecting community. I think you would be hard pressed to prove that this sort of "odd bidding" is widespread or in any way typical with his auctions.