t207 Donnelly

[tbob]

Originally Posted by tonyo

Below is the list of t207 Broadleaf class cards in order of "value" according to 2011 SCD.

Does this list mirror actual difficulty?


Irving Lewis (emblem on sleeve)
Irving Lewis (no emblem)
Mike Donlin
Louis Lowdermilk
Ward Miller (Chicago)
George Weaver
---large jump---
Joseph Benz
Barney Pelty
George Tyler
Victor Saier
---small jump----
Arthur Rasmussen
Don Carlos Ragan
Morris Rath
George Mogridge
John B. Adams
William Cunningham
Charles Herzog
----26 others (including Donnelly)all tied--------
Roy Miller (Boston)
Eugene Woodburn
Tom Downey
---the following 4 are valued similarly to Recruit class cards----
Grover Hartley
Jay Kirke
Otto Miller (Brooklyn)
G. Harris White

Based on my having put together this set 3 times and also current want lists, the Mogridge and Pelty are right behind Lewis no emblem and Donlin. Benz' are plentiful among the rarer cards and should be lowered in to the final group. Sweeney and Ragan should be next in terms of scarcity.
Two Recruit backs, Block and Scott should be in the top 8 of all cards in the set. If you are looking for T207s in EXMT or better, Block, Scott and Wallace are next to impossible.
Just my 2 cents....

[tbob]

Wagner with the Carrigan back could be the toughest card in the set.

[tonyo]

Originally Posted by tbob

Based on my having put together this set 3 times and also current want lists, the Mogridge and Pelty are right behind Lewis no emblem and Donlin. Benz' are plentiful among the rarer cards and should be lowered in to the final group. Sweeney and Ragan should be next in terms of scarcity.
Two Recruit backs, Block and Scott should be in the top 8 of all cards in the set. If you are looking for T207s in EXMT or better, Block, Scott and Wallace are next to impossible.
Just my 2 cents....

Thanks everyone.

tbob's top 8 in the set:

Lewis emblem
Lewis no emblem
Donlin
Mogridge/Pelty
Sweeney/Ragan
Block/Scott (both recruit)

sb1's top 5:
Lewis emblem
Lewis no emblem
Donlin
Donnelly/Downey


sb1 honroable mention: Bauman, Tyler and Saier (broadleaf) centered Speaker (recruit)

[sb1]

I convinced Bob Lemke to delist the Carrigan and Wagner wrong backs several years ago. They are simply printing errors of sheet alignment, even when found they are not completely aligned front and back. I have other wrong backs that occurred due to this process as well.

They are NOT part of the T207 set.

[sb1]

Here are two backs showing the o/c back of other cards, while not shown the fronts are normally centered.

Also forgot to put Bauman on the list as one of the toughies.

[tonyo]

Thanks for posting those backs sb1.

Interesting to read that Rube Oldring contributed a home run off Marquard in the world series!

[Bridwell]

Interesting thread. I've been working on T207s steadily for 3 years now. That list from SCD is a lot different from my experience. It is also a lot different from the 2007 Standard Catalog I have.

In short, some of the toughest T207s seem more common to me. This would include Loudermilk and Ward Miller where there have been many sold in auctions the last couple of years. Even Benz, Donnelly and Sweeney have popped up several times in the last year.

Surprisingly, the more common ones listed such as Doc White can be pretty tough. And a few of the Recruit backs come up for sale very rarely. When guys are working on sets, the competition can be fierce in the auctions. One card may sell for $50, another for $500.

[frohme]

Agreed with the responses above. I also think that perceptions of difficulty in the range of tough cards comes down to personal experience. They're all tough, and if you happened to pick up a Bauman, Bushelman, Pelty or Mogridge by sheer timing, you'd probably not think it to be that difficult - tbob or Rob A may not happen agree with you.

As others have said, points of the SCD list are a ways off from my experience as well. Completely agree that the Benz is one of the easiest in the Broadleaf class (as is Herzog, IMO), but also feel that you could poll the group of T207 collectors on the difficulty of individual cards and get fairly disparate answers ... depending on when they collected, the grade of cards they wanted, etc... (e.g. ask the Cubs team collectors about Miller and Saier). As tbob says above, even some of the Recruit cards in higher grades can be a real bitch. While more are coming out and being graded over time, we're nowhere near the pops of T205s or 6s, and likely never will be.

Many of the tougher cards appear only a couple times a year at best - sometimes much less often, and sometimes only in group lots, oddly. Some of the previous responders would probably agree that "you get 'em when and where you can in whatever grade you can and upgrade later". There really are sleepers in the set that seem much more difficult than others. Lew's Encyclopedia and the VCBC articles by Tim and Bob give good indication of what those are, your experience will fill in the details.

I'd also say that if you find any Broadleaf-class card for sale at "Recruit" pricing - its a deal. Some are on par with the harder recruits, yes, but not the run-of-the-mill first half (or so) of the set.

My two cents.
--
Mike