Ebay Seller Vintagecards1 Horrible Forgeries

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by thekingofclout

+1

+ 2

[GrayGhost]

There is plenty of worrying about Forgeries that fool people, as multiple threads can attest to.

I think its fine to point out something so hideous, as it speaks to the gall of some people , the stupidity of others, and the general apathy, since they are getting paid, of a major company.

Thanks for the thread Chris.

BTW: These are just my opinions, so no need for anyone to grab their ball and run home, or respond like a five year old. THANKS.

Scott Roberts

[RichardSimon]

All of those items had multiple bids,,, multiple bids.
Obviously they won't fool the collectors here, but they certainly did fool some nieve buyers on ebay.
And Scott and King I am surprised at you guys,, Chris has done as much or more than anyone I know in this hobby to try to fight forgeries, be they obvious ones or ones that are more difficult to discern.
What harm was done by pointing out these forgeries?

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

All of those items had multiple bids,,, multiple bids.
Obviously they won't fool the collectors here, but they certainly did fool some nieve buyers on ebay.
And Scott and King I am surprised at you guys,, Chris has done as much or more than anyone I know in this hobby to try to fight forgeries, be they obvious ones or ones that are more difficult to discern.
What harm was done by pointing out these forgeries?

Actually, I like the fact that Chris posts fakes here on net54. It's absolutely a great education for all. Everyone chill out a little, I'm not taking potshots at anyone.
Again, Happy Holidays to all and peace.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Scott Garner

Actually, I like the fact that Chris posts fakes here on net54. It's absolutely a great education for all. Everyone chill out a little, I'm not taking potshots at anyone.
Again, Happy Holidays to all and peace.

+1

[mr2686]

+...errr, no -...uh uh, what number are we on now?

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

All of those items had multiple bids,,, multiple bids.
Obviously they won't fool the collectors here, but they certainly did fool some nieve buyers on ebay.
And Scott and King I am surprised at you guys,, Chris has done as much or more than anyone I know in this hobby to try to fight forgeries, be they obvious ones or ones that are more difficult to discern.
What harm was done by pointing out these forgeries?

I also wanted to mention that the seller (Vintagecards1) had a total of 20 autograph cards listed; I only posted five of them. One of them was a horrific Nellie Fox that had a high bid of over $100.00. And in the end, they were all removed.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

I also wanted to mention that the seller (Vintagecards1) had a total of 20 autograph cards listed; I only posted five of them. One of them was a horrific Nellie Fox that had a high bid of over $100.00. And in the end, they were all removed.

Nice job, Chris!

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

I also wanted to mention that the seller (Vintagecards1) had a total of 20 autograph cards listed; I only posted five of them. One of them was a horrific Nellie Fox that had a high bid of over $100.00. And in the end, they were all removed.

+ 1/2

Plus one for Chris posting them, but minus a half for ebay removing them in the end. So it was all kind of a moot point. But then again, a potential future watchout. Thus, the assignment of just a "half point".

[David Atkatz]

"I have little patience with scientists who take a board of wood, look for its thinnest part, and drill a great number of holes where drilling is easy."

--Albert Einstein (quoted by Philipp Frank in "Einstein's Philosophy of Science," Reviews of Modern Physics, Vol 21, No. 3 July 1949.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

"I have little patience with scientists who take a board of wood, look for its thinnest part, and drill a great number of holes where drilling is easy."

--Albert Einstein (quoted by Philipp Frank in "Einstein's Philosophy of Science," Reviews of Modern Physics, Vol 21, No. 3 July 1949.

Reading that Einstein quote (how pretentious is that?) made me think of this....

Einstein.jpg

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by perezfan

+ 1/2

Plus one for Chris posting them, but minus a half for ebay removing them in the end. So it was all kind of a moot point. But then again, a potential future watchout. Thus, the assignment of just a "half point".

I don't understand this one Perez. Why minus half to ebay for removing them? They saved a number of buyers about a thousand bucks or so. I would be praising ebay for the work they have done for the last few months. Many bad items are vanishing every day, including very high priced ones.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

I don't understand this one Perez. Why minus half to ebay for removing them? They saved a number of buyers about a thousand bucks or so. I would be praising ebay for the work they have done for the last few months. Many bad items are vanishing every day, including very high priced ones.

Oh sorry... What I meant is that it's GOOD that ebay removed it. But ebay's removal rendered the thread a bit less relevant (since the seller was shut down). Just a rather weak joke, in an attempt to poke fun at the whole +1 / -2 thing. I had never seen fractions used, so thought I would be the first.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

There is plenty of worrying about Forgeries that fool people, as multiple threads can attest to.

I think its fine to point out something so hideous, as it speaks to the gall of some people , the stupidity of others, and the general apathy, since they are getting paid, of a major company.

Thanks for the thread Chris.

BTW: These are just my opinions, so no need for anyone to grab their ball and run home, or respond like a five year old. THANKS.

Scott Roberts

Scott,
Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you by seconding Jimmy's point. These fakes are so bad they're ridiculous. Anyone that is foolish enough to bid on these shouldn't be buying autographs, period.
Happy holidays,
Scott

[thetruthisoutthere]

Thank you, Richard, and Scott (GrayGhost).

[Leon]

Count me in as part of the folks that appreciate every one of these threads and posts that point out fraud, scammers or bad material. I guarantee they help folks that you might not even know they have helped. I know because I get the emails. I say keep them coming.....and thanks again to everyone that tries to help. I always say, you can't help everyone or everything, but you can try. What comes around goes around and karma is a beyatch.... .

For those that say they (the easy ones) shouldn't be pointed out, you have a right to your opinion too.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Leon

Count me in as part of the folks that appreciate every one of these threads and posts that point out fraud, scammers or bad material. I guarantee they help folks that you might not even know they have helped. I know because I get the emails. I say keep them coming.....and thanks again to everyone that tries to help. I always say, you can't help everyone or everything, but you can try. What comes around goes around and karma is a beyatch.... .

For those that say they (the easy ones) shouldn't be pointed out, you have a right to your opinion too.

I totally, agree, Leon, everyone here has an absolute right to their opinion.

I start specific threads for a specific reason. One of the reasons that I started this thread and posted those photographs was to let the seller know that collectors are watching for garbage like that and that they aren't "anonymous" just because they are selling it on Ebay.

Also, when I looked at that seller's listings this morning, they were all gone.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Leon

Count me in as part of the folks that appreciate every one of these threads and posts that point out fraud, scammers or bad material. I guarantee they help folks that you might not even know they have helped. I know because I get the emails. I say keep them coming.....and thanks again to everyone that tries to help. I always say, you can't help everyone or everything, but you can try. What comes around goes around and karma is a beyatch.... .

For those that say they (the easy ones) shouldn't be pointed out, you have a right to your opinion too.

Also, thank you, too, Leon.

[brickyardkennedy]

Originally Posted by Leon

Count me in as part of the folks that appreciate every one of these threads and posts that point out fraud, scammers or bad material. I guarantee they help folks that you might not even know they have helped. I know because I get the emails. I say keep them coming.....and thanks again to everyone that tries to help. I always say, you can't help everyone or everything, but you can try. What comes around goes around and karma is a beyatch.... .

For those that say they (the easy ones) shouldn't be pointed out, you have a right to your opinion too.

As has been pointed out, not everyone is an expert. We all start out naive and uneducated and are educated in steps over time. I know that I appreciate all who take the time to help out, in that education.

Thanks for what you do, Chris. Your posts actually have a purpose.