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Old 12-08-2011, 08:58 AM
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Heard last night (Peter Gammons) that the Sox are very close to reaching the Luxury Tax level and that this leadership group does not want to cross that threshold, so they are laying off even the likes of Ryan Madson to become their new closer.

I don't think the Sox will do anything of any impact this off-season.

Also, players don't have any loyalty to their teams......it's been that way for a long while now. Ripken and Jeter were WAY overpaid by their respective clubs for their last contracts when their careers were in decline. You can't expect the Cardinals to overpay for Pujols when $250 Million was already on the table.
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Old 12-08-2011, 09:09 AM
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I guess I can't think of a better player to overpay than Pujols given his steady production. I actually might consider making him the part-time DH even now to save some wear and tear on his body. He will fill some seats. Since it isn't my money, great signing.
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Old 12-08-2011, 09:10 AM
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I find it a little odd that we as fans, should think that we are entitled to keep our star players for the rest of their career. I've worked at a LA Casino since 1987. So if a Vegas Casino offered me twice my income, I shouldn't take it?

How about when I get older and they boot me in favor of a younger guy who'll work for less money but has little or no knowledge of the business. Where would the loyalty lay there?

The Cards had there chance last spring and they BLEW it! Tough shit! They should have signed him then, instead of playing hard-ball with him!
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Old 12-08-2011, 09:21 AM
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For the Angels sake I hope Pujols doesn't "shrink" when they start testing for HGH
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Old 12-08-2011, 09:48 AM
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This is going to be a lot like A-Rod's deal- Pujols is going to be very productive and worth every penny in the early years of his tenure. But in the last 4-6 years, depending on how soon his body starts to break down, he will be grotesquely overpaid. It's amazing that owners still give out these contracts.
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I find it a little odd that we as fans, should think that we are entitled to keep our star players for the rest of their career. I've worked at a LA Casino since 1987. So if a Vegas Casino offered me twice my income, I shouldn't take it?

How about when I get older and they boot me in favor of a younger guy who'll work for less money but has little or no knowledge of the business. Where would the loyalty lay there?

The Cards had there chance last spring and they BLEW it! Tough shit! They should have signed him then, instead of playing hard-ball with him!
I think you make a good point with the doubling of your salary, but I think there is quite a difference between making $40-50K a year vs. 10-15Mil a year and then doubling it. The difference is that Pujols already has enough money that another dime pretty much wouldn't make a difference in his life. If you got offered a salary double what you are already making, your lifestyle could/would change dramatically.

Loyalty is far and few between these days in sports. I was very happy when Weaver signed an extension before the end of this past season. He knew he was going to get plenty of money and already had a good amount and when you're making 10 mil a year, what's the big deal to make 2-5 mil a year more? To us, it seems like a lot, but seriously it's not. I hope Pujols and the Angels well, but I kinda hope it blows up in both of their faces...too much money, and he's on the tail-end of his prime. Good signing Angels!
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I find it a little odd that we as fans, should think that we are entitled to keep our star players for the rest of their career. I've worked at a LA Casino since 1987. So if a Vegas Casino offered me twice my income, I shouldn't take it?

How about when I get older and they boot me in favor of a younger guy who'll work for less money but has little or no knowledge of the business. Where would the loyalty lay there?

The Cards had there chance last spring and they BLEW it! Tough shit! They should have signed him then, instead of playing hard-ball with him!
We will see how you feel about this contract in about 4 years. As a Cardinals fan, I am sad he is gone but that is silly money for a guy who is going to be 32 when he steps on the field for the first time next season.

I would have loved to have had him retire as a Cardinal, but part of me is relieved that the Cards don't have that contract to deal with
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Old 12-08-2011, 10:17 AM
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As a Cardinal fan I HATE to see him go. On the other hand he helped to 3 WS appearances and two championships in his time there. He was paid handsomely for what he did and you can't overpay or overspend based on what he has done already - you owe him nothing for that. If you pay one player to the extent that you can't field a championship caliber team otherwise, what have you accomplished?

Wish him the best in LA. Most likely will go down as one of the all time greats and certainly the highest paid DH in MLB history by the time the day is done.
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We will see how you feel about this contract in about 4 years. As a Cardinals fan, I am sad he is gone but that is silly money for a guy who is going to be 32 when he steps on the field for the first time next season.

I would have loved to have had him retire as a Cardinal, but part of me is relieved that the Cards don't have that contract to deal with
Die hard Cardinal fan and I am also relieved it is over.

Good luck in California from year 2016 on. You're paying $25 million per for not much production, when .250 with 20 homers is a good year at the back end....

The Cardinals will be fine, we'll replace Albert eventually, and they've got lots of good young hitters coming along.
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Old 12-08-2011, 02:31 PM
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Albert and the Cardinals both made good business decisions here.
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i just heard locally that the angels are in the process of re-upping their tv deal. with albert it could be 800mil-1bil during that 10 years...so don't feel too bad for arte moreno on whether he'll get a good roi in years 6-10 from albert. i know i feel better having heard that piece of news.
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Old 12-08-2011, 10:29 PM
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Im bummed to see albert leave. Left a bitter taste in my mouth since all he said was that he wanted to be a card for life. I get that its a business and about the money though.

On the other hand, I really feel bad for all the special needs kids here that his charity supported who absolutely love him who more than likely got home from school today and saw that their hero has left town. That truly sucks.
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Also, players don't have any loyalty to their teams......it's been that way for a long while now.
What about Rickey Henderson, he came back to the A's a few times.....does that count as loyalty?

On the Pujols topic, he's usually hit the Tigers pretty hard so maybe his new suntan will help slow down his bat.

....and on Fielder, I think most teams are afraid of his weight and flailing man boobs to sign him to a long term contract. Just my opinion, imagine if he was in shape.
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Looks like I'll be going to a lot of Angels games this year. Hey Jimmy, beer's are on me!! Yeeeee Haaaaaa!
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