Very, very, interesting...

[David Atkatz]

As a physicist, Craig, I'm sure that 60+ years of ink-leather interaction must have some measurable effects. The key, of course, would be to measure them non-destructively.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

As a physicist, Craig, I'm sure that 60+ years of ink-leather interaction must have some measurable effects. The key, of course, would be to measure them non-destructively.

Along these lines, wouldn't fresh ink on 60 year old leather feather or spider-web to some degree?

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

Along these lines, wouldn't fresh ink on 60 year old leather feather or spider-web to some degree?

Obtaining old ink is easy.
I can remember being at the Atlantique City show some years ago.
Turned a corner and in a corner booth a dealer had a pyramid of old ink in those little bottles. A forgers wet dream come true.
I actually thought of "slipping" into the pyramid, and damaging all the bottles, but I knew it would mean trouble .

[TexasLeaguer]

There's an interesting documentary called "The Man Who Forged America" about a guy named Mark Hoffman who was a master forger. It's not about sports memorabilia at all, but it's worth watching because it shows a number of forgery techniques he used that are definitely relevant to a number of the things people here might collect. His story also has a crazy and unfortunate ending after he gets caught in his web of lies...

http://www.megavideo.com/?v=YORKKIAT
(hit play, close pop-up window, hit play again)

[RichardSimon]

His story is an eye opener.
He literally tried to rewrite Mormon history, then killed two people to try to cover up his crimes.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by TexasLeaguer

There's an interesting documentary called "The Man Who Forged America" about a guy named Mark Hoffman who was a master forger. It's not about sports memorabilia at all, but it's worth watching because it shows a number of forgery techniques he used that are definitely relevant to a number of the things people here might collect. His story also has a crazy and unfortunate ending after he gets caught in his web of lies...

http://www.megavideo.com/?v=YORKKIAT
(hit play, close pop-up window, hit play again)

TexasLeaguer,
Excellent Mark Hoffman documentary. Very interesting & thanks for posting! I like your avitar. Why your interest in Lon Warneke "The Arkansas Hummingbird"?

[TexasLeaguer]

Originally Posted by Scott Garner

Why your interest in Lon Warneke "The Arkansas Hummingbird"?

My collecting focus recently has been pre-war pitchers, and I like Warneke because he was a hard-throwing country boy from nearby Arkansas. Even though he didn't actually play in the Texas League, he tried out for the Houston Buffaloes as a first baseman, and was converted to a pitcher by their manager Frank Snyder.

[David Atkatz]

"Old" ink is still "fresh" ink. It's liquid, and would feather when applied to a porous medium.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

"Old" ink is still "fresh" ink. It's liquid, and would feather when applied to a porous medium.

Yes, that's what I meant. It feathers when it hits old paper and sometimes wood... you'd think it would be true to a degree for leather as well.

[19cbb]

Operation Bambino. Part II

http://haulsofshame.com/blog/?p=10406

[mr2686]

Keurajian is the author of McFarland Publishing’s soon-to-be-released baseball autograph study, Signatures From Cooperstown

Looks like his book will soon be coming out.

[Bilko G]

Very, very interesting thread here guys and i am only on page 13 of the thread so i apologize if these questions/statements have been brought up already, but i wanted to get them down now, before i forgot or had other questions.

From the Hauls of shame article part 2...

The same ball that sold at the REA auction appears to have first surfaced publicly in a Sports Collectors Digest ad placed by Art Jaffe and Left Field Collectibles on April 21, 2000.

Is this is the same "Jaffe" or any relation to the Jaffe that was involved with the counterfeiting "Marino Family" and brought down in "Operation Bullpen"?

Also in part 2 of the article in the "Comments" section, there is a comment from a "Linda" who is implying that she is the granddaughter of Babe Ruth, which im sure Nash has confirmed, made a comment....

"During the Depression, his autograph kept food on the tables of his fans. He knew this and would generously sign boxes of balls for people."


What exactly does this mean?? To my understanding, it sounds like people were selling his autographed Baseballs to feed their families?? How do you guys imply this?? I know there was a debate (I believe it was in this thread, but it might have been a different one since ive been reading this forum for a few hours now tonight) about autographs having value or not in the 1940's? Well would this not PROVE that autographs had value back then??


Just read something else and edited it into this post...

Net54 poster says...

"Even in the early 80s you could buy a signed Ruth for a hundred bucks or less."

Is THIS true??? In the early 80's you could buy an autographed RUTH Baseball for $100 or less??? Wasn't the sports collectible industry really picking up steam in the early 80's?? I know collectible shows were popping up all over in the 80's and Ruth balls were less than $100 only 25-30 years ago??


Just a couple quick questions i had while reading

Thanks Guys!

[RichardSimon]

From previous post - "Is this is the same "Jaffe" or any relation to the Jaffe that was involved with the counterfeiting "Marino Family" and brought down in "Operation Bullpen"?"

Absolutely not the same person. That person is Shelly Jaffe no relation, not the same person.

[Vintagedegu]

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[Bilko G]

Ok Thank You Richard and Vintagedegu for answering a couple of my questions.



I have a couple more pics here that i think should be posted in this thread as well. I know the majority of the senior crowd here (meaning time spent at Net54 and/or in the Hobby and not age, haha) knows that Babe Ruth signed a TON of autographs in his time, but these pictures really show how much he was signing back then and like a few posters have mentioned im sure a number of these balls were put away and have survived in really great near mint shape.

[murphusa]

A member here has a Babe Ruth ball for sale to members and also on ebay right now. The signature is on an American Association Wilson Baseball. After the stuff we saw a few months ago with the dollar bills being not within date, I look at the COA for the ball.

Neither of the COA's took into consideration if the ball fit the time period (it did) but why not also give an opinion on the ball also. I would think that is just as important as the slant