Very, very, interesting...

travrosty · #1 12-03-2011, 09:18 AM

Dozens of snow white Ruth balls. Where are the dozens of Ty Cobb's, Jimmie Foxx, and Honus Wagner?

Leon · #2 12-03-2011, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by travrosty

Dozens of snow white Ruth balls. Where are the dozens of Ty Cobb's, Jimmie Foxx, and Honus Wagner?

Hang on a minute......where did I put that box of balls again?

HRBAKER · #3 12-03-2011, 09:34 AM

I can hear the fall back, "All we did was offer an opinion here. Opinions are not guarantees, buyer beware."
Why does this hobby attract so many people who are allergic to an honest day's work? Because we collectors will put up with just about anything and come right back for more.

ruth-gehrig · #4 12-03-2011, 09:36 AM

I never thought I'd say this but "I'm glad I don't own a Ruth signed ball."

It would bug me always wondering if it was genuine or not.

benjulmag · #5 12-03-2011, 10:40 AM

Buying an autographed anything without provenance or some other corroborating information atttesting to its genuiness requires a large leap of faith, regardless who gives the LOA. Given that the value of genuine single signed Ruth balls can be well into six-figures, probably as we speak there are forgers practicing their Ruth signatures. There is little down-side to the crooks. Period balls are relatively inexpensive and easy to find, and if even the signature doesn't pass muster with an authentication company, the forger can simply say he bought it at some flea market and got duped himself. I think that as time goes on, just as with baseball cards with pedigrees, autographed baseballs with pedigrees will sell for substantial premiums over balls with no pedigrees.

EDITED TO ADD that the notion of Peter Nash putting himself out as the good guy in exposing such forgeries raises the bar of hypocrisy to a new level.

travrosty · #6 12-03-2011, 11:13 AM

most of these balls are touted as late 40's. and they show up snow white.

where are the mid 20's era quotes "Babe Ruth" snow white balls with "babe ruth" in quotes? I don't see those in any quantity at all in this type of condition.

Nobody put any of those away in a shoe box? It's seems to be the majority is a 1940's type autograph. A number of the auctions list later 40's as the year they were signed.

travrosty · #7 12-03-2011, 11:41 AM

here is psa certing a ruth ball, then since it is sealed in the ballcube by psa, jsa SEEMS to cert it through the glass, the picture shows it still in the psa ballcube.

IF jsa didnt open the cube to inspect a BABE RUTH ball, what kind of inspection could this ball have gotten from jsa if they are looking at it through a ballcube?

It's a grade 7 ball and jsa cant take it out of the cube? Please JSA come on here and please show us you took the ball out of the cube to authenticate it yourself without foreign material in the way of you and the autograph. All I can go by is the picture they provided, and it looks like it was certed in the ballcube to me.

I don't care who sealed it in a ballcube, if it came to me, i am busting it out of there, breaking the seal, and giving it a proper inspection before my name would go on a cert. If the customer wanted to then get it resealed by psa, more power to him, but you have to look at it up close and unencumbered with NO plexiglass in the way. It's a purported high quality Babe Ruth signed baseball for heaven's sake.

Also, one of the first things JSA says they do on these single signed balls is to check for erasures and make sure it wasn't a multi-signed ball with some signatures erased to mask that fact. They even have a fancy machine to check for these things.

How can they seemingly check for erasures or other signatures on the ball, (with the ball still in the cube) when not all of the ball is even visible to the observer? You can't trust someone elses work when the person is bringing the ball to YOU and giving money to YOU for your inspection.

I am not saying the ball was certed in the cube 100%, I wasn't there, but it sure looks like that. If it was, what kind of meticulous attention did it get versus what it deserved?

Please come and show us the ball was taken out of the cube so our fears can be assuaged and this mystery can be solved.

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