Derek Jeter Forgery Baseball Unbelievable!!!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

We understand, Chris. Believe me, we do.

Sure would have been nice, though, to see the evolution of Jete's signature, presented by one who really knows.

Oh, well. Our loss.

In all fairness I don't think it's Chris's responsibility or duty to educate us. He is nice enough to give his valued opinion on many items. It's up to each of us to educate ourselves. I think the "all hat no cattle" comment was uncalled for but I have seen worse on the board. David, may I suggest that if you are so interested in educating the board then please be my guest. Just my half cent.

[David Atkatz]

Educate ourselves? Excuse me if I misunderstood, but I thought one of the purposes of this board was to learn from one another.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Educate ourselves? Excuse me if I misunderstood, but I thought one of the purposes of this board was to learn from one another.

There are many things that add to learning experiences, whatever the subject might be. In "learning" about sports cards, autographs etc....one of the ways is to read this board. There is no doubt about that. Another way is to handle as many items as possible. I do both of those (on the card side of course). I also talk to other hobbyists, chat on another board or two, read, listen etc.....I don't think any one way is going to take care of all of your learning needs. I consider this board one slice of the "learning pie". Whatever Chris says on the board, and others read, is another way to learn. He already stated what his position is pertaining to going step by step, it's not his gig....Why badger him about it?

[David Atkatz]

When a fellow collector asks me specifically to show him something--what Kid Elberfeld's signature looks like, for example, I consider myself obligated to do so. I consider it the "price" we pay for participating here. (Although "price" is a bit of a misnomer--I really am happy to help. Sort of "paying it forward," for all those who helped me.)

Chris was asked by two people to show Jeter's signature evolution. He refused.

He was asked by a prominent (and deservedly beloved) collector on this board to help in understanding Mantle's signature. Chris told him to figure it out himself.

We all have our buttons, Leon. One of mine happens to be the "I want you to know that I know--but don't ask me to tell you how I know, 'cause I won't tell" statement

I should have kept quiet, but I just hate to see that sort of thing.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

When a fellow collector asks me specifically to show him something--what Kid Elberfeld's signature looks like, for example, I consider myself obligated to do so. I consider it the "price" we pay for participating here. (Although "price" is a bit of a misnomer--I really am happy to help. Sort of "paying it forward," for all those who helped me.)

Chris was asked by two people to show Jeter's signature evolution. He refused.

He was asked by a prominent (and deservedly beloved) collector on this board to help in understanding Mantle's signature. Chris told him to figure it out himself.

I should have kept quiet, but I just hate to see that sort of thing.

And I try my best to pay it forward as much as anyone but I do have my limits. Chris has stated his. I thank him for all he does. No one has any obligation to pay it forward anymore than they do. Also, one thing I won't do, is say publicly what some of my key knowledge is. The reason is that I am 100% sure scammers read this board. When we went through the whole E94 overprint debacle, with SGC slabbing a fake one and me catching it, I wouldn't then, nor now, state exactly how I knew. I did tell the graders at SGC though. I don't want fraudulent type people learning too much from me (or at least I don't want to help them and make their job easier) Once again, I don't think anyone has any obligation to help anyone else. Whoever helps, and what they help with, is appreciated. Badgering individuals who do help is frowned upon and won't be tolerated too much. I respect your knowledge David, and your participation on the board. Please be nice . Nuff said.....best regards

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

When a fellow collector asks me specifically to show him something--what Kid Elberfeld's signature looks like, for example, I consider myself obligated to do so. I consider it the "price" we pay for participating here. (Although "price" is a bit of a misnomer--I really am happy to help. Sort of "paying it forward," for all those who helped me.)

Chris was asked by two people to show Jeter's signature evolution. He refused.

He was asked by a prominent (and deservedly beloved) collector on this board to help in understanding Mantle's signature. Chris told him to figure it out himself.

I should have kept quiet, but I just hate to see that sort of thing.

That's great, David, that you consider "your obligation" to go into detail about a particular signature, but I'm not you, and I don't have any "obligation" here. Your "obligation" is your personal choice and that's great.

I don't know about you, David, but I never signed a contract here on Net54 that "obligates" me to do anything. My "personal obligation" to the hobby is to expose forgeries and those that sell them. That is my choice. It is my "personal obligation" to produce videos and hammer Coach's Corner Auctions for the garbage they sell. That's what I do; that's my part in trying to clean up the autograph section of the hobby. I did not bow down to those who threatened me and personally attacked me for the videos I made; instead, I produced even more videos in response.

I didn't whimper at "their" feeble attempts to intimidate me; I simply made more videos. That's me doing my part to help the hobby.

[David Atkatz]

No problem, Chris. Keep up the good work.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by Leon

David, may I suggest that if you are so interested in educating the board then please be my guest.

I have, Leon. On many occasions.