OK Here's my question!

[tedzan]

Scot Reader's "Inside T206", Bill Brown's "super-set" spread sheet, and my thread...."Consolidated access to the
15 - T206 T-brand (front/back) surveys......UPDATED" should provide you a good start on your adventure.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=132611&page=5

My thread accounts for 4312 front/back T206 permutations that have been confirmed. We have estimated that
there are approx. 5500 permutations for a T206 master set.

Wishing you lots of luck in this endeavor.


TED Z

[Cardboard Junkie]

Aloha Ted! Thanks very much for the advice. I will keep you posted on my progress. I will start in ernest after the first of the year. I am thinking of just starting with "A's" and getting a different type of back for each one, then B's etc. after ending the alphabet going back and starting with a third variation. I am go to start ebaying off my other stuff and consigning to auction houses the bigger stuff. The only other stuff I am keeping are my 33 goudeys 52 topps and 53 glendales and 72 topps, my favorite sets other than the monster. I'm loaded for bear and on a mission. Much Mahalos for your incredible interest and knowledge of this greatest of baseball card sets. Aloha, Dave Pierson.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Cardboard Junkie

Aloha Ted! Thanks very much for the advice. I will keep you posted on my progress. I will start in ernest after the first of the year. I am thinking of just starting with "A's" and getting a different type of back for each one, then B's etc. after ending the alphabet going back and starting with a third variation. I am go to start ebaying off my other stuff and consigning to auction houses the bigger stuff. The only other stuff I am keeping are my 33 goudeys 52 topps and 53 glendales and 72 topps, my favorite sets other than the monster. I'm loaded for bear and on a mission. Much Mahalos for your incredible interest and knowledge of this greatest of baseball card sets. Aloha, Dave Pierson.

Thanks for your very kind words guy. And, please keep me posted on your progress. Any questions regarding T206's, feel free to email me at......

tedzan11@comcast.net

Gee....it's nice to see that my master set estimate of 4996 (4312 + 624 + 60) cards is in close agreement with others here.


Wishing you lots of luck on this journey.

TED Z

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by tedzan

My thread accounts for 4312 front/back T206 permutations that have been confirmed. We have estimated that
there are approx. 5500 permutations for a T206 master set.

How can you have around 4,312 confirmed examples and estimate 5,500 possible, when new examples are seldom found anymore?

[ValKehl]

David - In response to your question, yes, you are "nuts or what!" But then, the same can be said for most of us vintage bb card collectors who have our specific, all-consuming focuses! Wishing you the best in your new endeavor.
Val

[Jantz]

Dave

If I may offer you some advice, don't go with the alphabetical approach, but rather acquire T206s by their backs and when they become available.


Jantz

[Texxxx]

Originally Posted by Jantz

Dave

If I may offer you some advice, don't go with the alphabetical approach, but rather acquire T206s by their backs and when they become available.


Jantz

I would take this even one step further. Get any one you can get when ever it is available. Any other approach will just take longer. Dont pass on any one you need.

[Jantz]

Originally Posted by Texxxx

I would take this even one step further. Get any one you can get when ever it is available. Any other approach will just take longer. Dont pass on any one you need.

I agree. Thats exactly what I was trying to say.

I would bet common players will be harder to find than HOFers.


Jantz

[fkw]

Wow is right !

Dont go selling your house there in HPP. you need that roof over your head with all this rain weve been having in Puna.

Aloha, good luck

PS I agree with picking up everything you need when they show, especially the tougher back.... some of them rarely show every year let alone every 5-10 years.

Some guys are still working on just one type backs (ie American Beauty 350, Polar Bear, etc.) and Im impressed with those collections and how tough they would be, and those 2 back are no where nearly as tough as the toughies...

[Ronnie73]

Hi David, Just wanted to let you know that your not alone out there if you decide to tackle the Master Monster Set. I shifted my focus on the set at the beginning of 2011 and away from most other cards, comic books, stamps, and coins. So far, I average 2 cards a week with all being tougher backs. The 3 lists mentioned are great references. I use all 3 and also PSA and SGC population reports. The only advice I can give is just stick with it. Its possibly one of the most difficult set building tasks out there but thats what makes it fun.

[cfc1909]

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=139924

Tim answered this question in post #2 in this previous thread

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

How can you have around 4,312 confirmed examples and estimate 5,500 possible, when new examples are seldom found anymore?

That's a good question.....and, here is my answer.

I will qualify my above two numbers. First, my "Consolidated...." thread accounts for every T206 back (American Beauty - UZIT), except
for these 2.... Sweet Caporal sub-sets (Factory #25 and #42) cards. The Sweet Caporal, Factory #25 subset accounts for another 480
cards (approx.). And, the Sweet Caporal, Factory #42 sub-set accounts for another 60 cards (approx.). Therefore, the new total = 4996
(4312 + 624 + 60) cards.

I posted a thread 2 years ago regarding a "master set" estimate; and, at that time the number resulted in 5136 (given the information we
had in 2009). Here is a link to that thread......

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ter+set&page=4

Since then, I would say a better estimate may be anywhere from 5200 > 5500 front/back T206 permutations. Furthermore, recently there
have been some more finds (DRUM, LENOX, UZIT, etc.) that have trickled in new T206's. In any event, this subject matter will continue to
be a work in progress for a long time.

Best regards,

TED Z

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by tedzan

The Sweet Caporal, Factory #25 subset accounts for another 480 cards (approx.). And, the Sweet Caporal, Factory #42 sub-set accounts for another 60 cards (approx.).

TED Z

Ted - As you may know I've been studying the Sweet Caporal cards for sometime now trying to get a better idea of what was and was not printed with respect to each back.

Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 42 (No Overprint) = 46 Subjects (2 unconfirmed)
Sweet Caporal 150 Factory 25 = 153 Subjects (11 unconfirmed)

Sweet Caporal 350 Factory 25 and Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 25 are both still a work in progress. As many as 402 subjects were printed with the SC 350 No.25 back with a large number of them having been confirmed. The SC 350-460 No.25 group numbers no more than 69 with all but 15 being confirmed to date.

Total number of Sweet Caporal Factory 25 believed possible at this time = 624

These confirmed numbers are not the results of surveys I've done but cards myself, Jim Rivera or Craig Wright have actually seen.

I hope these numbers prove helpful.

[tedzan]

[QUOTE=Abravefan11;942781]Ted - As you may know I've been studying the Sweet Caporal cards for sometime now trying to get a better idea of what was and was not printed with respect to each back.

Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 42 (No Overprint) = 42 Subjects (All confirmed)

Total number of Sweet Caporal Factory 25 believed possible at this time = 624
QUOTE]


Tim
1st....my number of "approx. 60" for the Sweet Caporal, Factory 42 (No Overprint) includes the 19 additional Sweet Caporal 460/42 (No Overprint)
cards that have been confirmed from the 460-Only series.

2nd....and, thanks for the better number of a possible 624 for the Sweet Caporal Factory 25 sub-set. I have revised the grand total to 4996 in my
above post to reflect this.


TED Z

[Abravefan11]

For the sake of accuracy the Sweet Cap 350-460 No.42 (No Overprint) group is 46 subjects. I corrected my post but it's wrong in Teds post above that quoted mine.

Also we believe there were only 12 460 Only subjects printed with this back.

[egbeachley]

Thanks for the updates. Now we are comparing aples to apples.

I notice you didn't add the Coupons