2012 Standard Catalog of Vintage Baseball Cards

[pgellis]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I did post - it was regarding the first 150 commons in the set. My guess is that a premium was being added for the ones with the '150' back. I also asked about two specific E90-1 cards. I know the market values of these two particular examples, but I thought it was strange that the book value was so out of line, and was requesting thoughts. It might be that some of you guys have time to study every card issue and memorize prices, but I'm not that far along yet - was hoping I could get some guidance as to which prices were accurate, and which ones to just cross out.

But you're right - I'll just start separate threads regarding the specific cards (or sets) I'm interested in and begin taking notes in my catalog. As mentioned previously, I thought there might be stuff posted already, and I simply did not want to re-hash the same old stuff and bore the hell out of everyone.

As is, that's what I've done anyway. Sorry about that.

My response to you was that many people (myself included) may not have the book yet, so unless you post what the prices are in your comments, how can we discuss whether the prices are out of line or not?

You would need to post what the prices in the book are for a bigger discussion to take place.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by pgellis

My response to you was that many people (myself included) may not have the book yet, so unless you post what the prices are in your comments, how can we discuss whether the prices are out of line or not?

You would need to post what the prices in the book are for a bigger discussion to take place.

Doh! Okay, I get it. Wow - how things have changed! Used to be everyone was dying to get this book. I have to tell you, I love mine, regardless of the inaccuracies - it's still very cool.

I'm farting off at the coffee shop at the moment, but I'll post some prices when I get back home - thanks for your response.

What do folks use in lieu of this catalog? Is everything online now?

[glchen]

I think one of the reasons that few people have picked up the latest catalog is that it received less than rave reviews including from Mr. Lemke. The thread on that is here: Link

I think many folks including myself are just sticking to older versions of the Standard Catalog.

[pgellis]

I know a lot of people use VCP. I don't use anything anymore. I only collect T206 and have been doing so for almost 7 years now, so I have a very good idea of pricing by watching eBay, auctions, B/S/T, etc. diligently for the past 6.5 years.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by pgellis

I know a lot of people use VCP. I don't use anything anymore. I only collect T206 and have been doing so for almost 7 years now, so I have a very good idea of pricing by watching eBay, auctions, B/S/T, etc. diligently for the past 6.5 years.

I was that way 6 years ago, but the market has changed a lot. The strangest thing I've noticed with T206's since I've been gone, is the Cobb Bat Off prices - just amazing. You are right, though - T206s are easy enough to keep on top of.

The T205s are a different story for me, as I never really collected them much anyway. I recently picked up an SGC 30 Wallace cap off, 1 line that I really have no idea what it is worth. I don't plan on selling it, but I'm curious what it's worth. Same for a few other variations such as the 2nd toughest Hoblitzell. I just don't see these cards on ebay, and the few that are there (such as the Matty 1-win) are priced to high to sell, so who knows what the market value is?

[pgellis]

I'd be interested in seeing the T206 pricing questions that you have from your initial post. If you feel like taking the time to post them here........I'd like to see it. Maybe that will lead to further discussion from other T206 collectors.

[Leon]

Hey Scott
First of all I know I owe you a phone call but have been out and still getting everything back in order from a few days away. You seem a bit overzealous about the quickness of responses . I see that after 5 hours you were sort of antsy. Heck, I can show you many threads that I started and thought were good and never got a single response. We have over 3100 registered members but sometimes no one feels like saying anything. It's just the way it is.
Now back to your topic, I got the 2012 Vintage SCD and didn't think it was that bad after a cursory look. Yes, we did have a fairly long thread about it before too. I don't really use it for pricing, I use it for more of a card and series checklist. The prices are a loose guide and anyone that does this everyday, and pays attention, will know more accurate, real time, pricing than any printed catalog, imo. take care, hope all is well and talk to you a bit later.....

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Leon

Hey Scott
First of all I know I owe you a phone call but have been out and still getting everything back in order from a few days away. You seem a bit overzealous about the quickness of responses . I see that after 5 hours you were sort of antsy. Heck, I can show you many threads that I started and thought were good and never got a single response. We have over 3100 registered members but sometimes no one feels like saying anything. It's just the way it is.
Now back to your topic, I got the 2012 Vintage SCD and didn't think it was that bad after a cursory look. Yes, we did have a fairly long thread about it before too. I don't really use it for pricing, I use it for more of a card and series checklist. The prices are a loose guide and anyone that does this everyday, and pays attention, will know more accurate, real time, pricing than any printed catalog, imo. take care, hope all is well and talk to you a bit later.....

Okay, 3100 people had no interest in providing a response. Believe me, I got that As I stated, I realize that the topic obviously was boring to most.

I still don't have answers to my more specific card questions, but I'll go back to asking buddies via PM as I've been doing off and on for the last 6-7 years.

[fkw]

I have the 2010 edition .... and memorized now

I may buy the 2013 edition next year.

Sometimes good questions will go unanswered, many times Ive posted questions and they go well over 100+ views before I get a reply, but I expect it, if I have a question that I dont know the answer to after 30+ years of PreWar, I dont expect many to know the answer.. or I should already know it too

as far as the T206 150 series having a premium in guides, maybe a slight premium but nothing more. The whole damn T206 set is extremely common with 98% of the poses existing with a couple thousand examples known (population).

But then again the 150 series is full of portrait cards, and many including myself think the portrait cards are better looking thus more popular, and also the 150 series is 1-2 years older than the 350-460 series, so being older lol should add some premium maybe 1% for being older and 4-9% for being a portrait card...

E90-1 is a different animal, kids bought candy cards, and kids ALWAYS destroy cards, making them far more difficult to find now in nice shape, and overall, compared to the T206 (tobacco) cards of the same 3 year span.
Both sets have scarcity levels, but the average collector looking at E90-1 (not a E90-1 expert) will have to use a price guide to see the different scarcity tiers, because the backs are all the same making the cards look all the same (unlike the T206 set where there are different brands, series, fac#, overprints, etc. on back)

I still use the guides for scarcity tiers when I see E90-1 cards that Im unsure of how scarce they are, same with some T207 cards too.
With me, T206 is memorized to a point. ... and way overrated, but thats for another thread lol