Who Buys These Things???

[fkw]

IMO the fault lies mostly with PSA, they are the ones that keep dreams alive by using the "?" in the flip.... it makes newbies think they couldnt tell for sure. I know PSA are idiots at times in IDing the issuer of oddball cards, and even make alot of bonehead errors because of low quality control standards...... but 99.98% of the time they can ID a reproduction form a well known set.

They need to change the flip to "NOT AUTHENTIC"

[joeadcock]

Hopefully, few more will bid(thinking they are getting what they are not).

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by fkw

IMO the fault lies mostly with PSA, they are the ones that keep dreams alive by using the "?" in the flip.... it makes newbies think they couldnt tell for sure. I know PSA are idiots at times in IDing the issuer of oddball cards, and even make alot of bonehead errors because of low quality control standards...... but 99.98% of the time they can ID a reproduction form a well known set.

They need to change the flip to "NOT AUTHENTIC"

A few years ago my buddy picked up and '86 fleer Jordan on the bay for something like $40-50(I can't remember what he said exactly). I asked him why it was so cheap, and he said that the seller had it listed as returned as Questionable Authenticity... He was quite disappointed when I told him that meant it wasn't real.. He was apparently stuck on the use of the word "Questionable", and held hope that it was real..

[glchen]

I think another reason is that the seller offers a 7 day return policy. Therefore some buyers may be thinking that after they examine the card, they can determine whether they think it's real or not. If not, they can send it back for refund.

[iggyman]

I always chuckle at most eBays sellers return policy .

On eBay, it really doesn't matter if the return policy is 1/2 day......1 day.....3 days.....7 days....or "NO RETURNS accepted under any circumstances" days!!! At the end of the "day," you have 45 nights to return the item if it is not as described (which virtually any item can fall under). You also normally have 60 nights (or two billing cycles) to put a claim in with your credit card.

It's already funny enough, that you actually need those cards in-hand to determine authenticity. It would just be hilarious, if a buyer thought he only had 7 days to return the card. Oh, that is funny................stop it already, my side hurts......

Lovely Day...

[Ladder7]

At one time, we were able to save these schmucks from themselves... To increase profits, ebaY killed the end run.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Ladder7

At one time, we were able to save these schmucks from themselves... To increase profits, ebaY killed the end run.

Now that's a funny flip!! I have always thought they should put FAKE!! on the flip of these. I wonder if there is some legal liability in doing so? This isn't the first, second or third time this has happened or been discussed. Has anyone asked PSA to change their wording, I wonder?

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by Leon

Now that's a funny flip!! I have always thought they should put FAKE!! on the flip of these. I wonder if there is some legal liability in doing so? This isn't the first, second or third time this has happened or been discussed. Has anyone asked PSA to change their wording, I wonder?

I was always under the impression, that they were just legally covering their a$$e$ by using that terminology. Because, if that isn't the case, then I'd say their choice of wording is just plain negligent...

[steve B]

Stamp certificates will state things like that with no problems. such as-

"US # 163P4 fraudlently perforated to appear as #163 it is genuine"

I actually own that exact item, but have not sent it in for a certificate. If I did, that's pretty much exactly what the cert would say. They also list faults like short perforations, minor creases etc. The stamp IS a genuine 163P4, and is collectable as a proof.

163P4 is a plate proof on india paper, Catalog value $20 #163 is the issued stamp catalog value $2750.

Outright forgeries are identified as such on the certs too.
Only on rare cases do you see a cert stating something like "we render no opinion at this time" Meaning 3 or more experts in that specialty have all seen it and either can't agree or aren't certain as to just what the item is.
(And those items can be VERY exciting. A bit of research to prove what it is can turn a bit of junk into a lot of money) ....Someday, someday.....

Steve B

Originally Posted by Leon

Now that's a funny flip!! I have always thought they should put FAKE!! on the flip of these. I wonder if there is some legal liability in doing so? This isn't the first, second or third time this has happened or been discussed. Has anyone asked PSA to change their wording, I wonder?

[rp12367]

Originally Posted by iggyman

I always chuckle at most eBays sellers return policy .

On eBay, it really doesn't matter if the return policy is 1/2 day......1 day.....3 days.....7 days....or "NO RETURNS accepted under any circumstances" days!!! At the end of the "day," you have 45 nights to return the item if it is not as described (which virtually any item can fall under). You also normally have 60 nights (or two billing cycles) to put a claim in with your credit card.

+1 You can return anything with 45 days, NO IF'S ANDS OR BUT'S E-bay will make you give a refund. I had a small issue awhile ago and seller said NO REFUNDS NO MATTER WHAT and I got back my money. Not saying I agree by any means as I see both sides, buying and selling. But there whole return question durning the listing process is a joke.

[iwantitiwinit]

See that bridge over there. I own it. It can be yours for only......
The purchase of those cards is ridiculous, there are gonna be thousands for sale now.

[iggyman]

Nah man! Fake cards in storage sheds are the next big thing!

storage sheds.jpg

Lovely Day...

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by rp12367

+1 You can return anything with 45 days, NO IF'S ANDS OR BUT'S E-bay will make you give a refund. I had a small issue awhile ago and seller said NO REFUNDS NO MATTER WHAT and I got back my money. Not saying I agree by any means as I see both sides, buying and selling. But there whole return question durning the listing process is a joke.

If this is true (which I'm not arguing), then why does eBay allow sellers the option to accept returns or not?

See the example below. The first two items are not returnable while the second two are.

[iggyman]

David,

As long as you are returning the item because it's "not as advertised", Buyer Protection trumps anything else you put in your listing(s).

Lovely Day...