T206 - Doyle N.Y. Nat'l - info??

[barrysloate]

Taborton (not your real name): I don't think that's true. First, as Peter mentioned, PSA are not experts. So forget about the label. I don't believe at all it was intentionally printed as Dopner and then corrected. I believe it's an "R" missing a serif. Again, I will defer to the board experts but I think that's the case.

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

I believe it's an "R" missing a serif.

Barry is correct. If one were to look at thousands of T206's noting every variance they will find many many examples of these printing defects. Some stand out more than others and a few like the Nodgrass have garnered more attention and a higher premium. Ultimately they are not variations like the Doyle and Magie.

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by steve B

Magie was a tougher fix, requiring the stone to be redone, or perhaps partly redone. If it was caught early, it might have been worth doing. I think the names were the only thing done in that brown color.

Steve B

The name/team captions were printed during the brown color run for the image. The two cards below are good examples that show when the brown color pass was out of registration it effected the caption as well as other parts of the image.

[steve B]

Those are cool! I picked up a Barry recently that has no name and decent registration. There's enough room at the bottom that the name should be there.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/270837344974...84.m1439.l2649

I wanted the Schmidt, but it went a bit higher than I'd thought.

The missing names is what made me think the name was done in a separate pass. Seeing yours that's obviously not how it was done.

Steve B

[tedzan]

Regarding the Joe Doyle error card......this card was unknown (and known) in the hobby until circa 1987 when Bill Huggins found
one in a collection that he had acquired. When Bill revealed his Doyle, Larry Fritsch then revealed a Doyle error card that he had.
To date, only 8 legitimate examples of this card have been confirmed. There have been several fakes in circulation; and, at least
one of which has been graded.

What I find most interesting about this scarce T206 error card, is that its existence was known prior to Fritsch's and Huggins' dis-
coveries of this card in the 1980's. On display at the Univ. of Georgia is Senator Richard Russell's boyhood (circa 1910) Tobacco
card collection. Included in this 1000+ card collection is the Joe Doyle error card. Although, this display has been there for many
years, very few have seen it.

American Lithographic printed the 150 and 350 Series T206's first starting with the PIEDMONT brand. And, since the Magie and the
Joe Doyle errors were caught quickly, these two cards exist ONLY with the PIEDMONT 150 and PIEDMONT 350 backs, respectively.



Here is my "no-name" printing error card of Ray Ryan. Apparently, the Brown ink pass was missed on this one (hence, no caption).
There is a good likelihood that the 47 other OLD MILL Southern Leaguer's in this print run are also without their captions (and any
brown coloring).



TED Z

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by tedzan

There is a good likelihood that the 47 other OLD MILL Southern Leaguer's in this print run are also without their captions (and any brown coloring).

TED Z

It's actually highly unlikely that all 48 of the southern leaguer's would be found with this color pass missing. It's definite that a majority of them would, as they would have been printed on the same sheet as the Ryan, but not all 48.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Abravefan11

It's definite that a majority of them would, as they would have been printed on the same sheet as the Ryan, but not all 48.

Let's see your proof of this ?

The OLD MILL and PIEDMONT Southern League subjects are both 48-subject series.


TED Z