VCP rant

[Leon]

My little auction company, B & L, used to allow VCP to mine our data. For our last auction Bobby told us there would be a fee to do it so we decided not to. Fewer houses let him use their info anymore. I am not sure of all of the reasoning.

[BobbyVCP]

Leon lets be fair here the fee was not from VCP it was from Seth the auction software person you use. And all Seth had to do was turn on the code we provided to him years ago when we started, something that takes him less then a minute. Sure we can come in at the end of the auction and scrap all the data and input it in our site. But the thing you are missing and this is the key is by having access to your auction as it starts and entering all your items live it then checks 3469 current members want lists for any items you have and they need. When it finds matches sends a email with link to your auction telling them a card they want is now available for them to bid and win.So by you not wanting to be part of the system and paying Seth his money how many potential buyers did you miss out on? And if those notices went out I think you would find a much better return to your consignors.

Whereas all the people using Bob from Simple there is no fee involved at all.

[E93]

I'm sure VCP is not perfect. Nothing is. But I have found it to be an incredibly valuable resource. I can't even say how many times over the membership fee has paid for itself by giving me info to avoid overpaying or undercharging on selling my items. On the few times I have needed assistance, Bobby has been quick and responsive. And for clarity's sake, I do not personally know Bobby. I have never met him. We have only had a handful of email interactions regarding my membership to VCP.
JimB

[smtjoy]

I know for me while I like to see BIN sales in VCP, I dont put a lot of weight into them vs the auction prices.

I remember a while back an auction house stopped posting their results to VCP after a few board members posted some bidding results that they felt were bogus and made a pretty good case that something fishy was going on.

[BobbyVCP]

Originally Posted by smtjoy

I know for me while I like to see BIN sales in VCP, I dont put a lot of weight into them vs the auction prices.

I remember a while back an auction house stopped posting their results to VCP after a few board members posted some bidding results that they felt were bogus and made a pretty good case that something fishy was going on.

That is why Goodwin and Memory Lane wanted out of VCP covering their data.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

Leon lets be fair here the fee was not from VCP it was from Seth the auction software person you use. And all Seth had to do was turn on the code we provided to him years ago when we started, something that takes him less then a minute. Sure we can come in at the end of the auction and scrap all the data and input it in our site. But the thing you are missing and this is the key is by having access to your auction as it starts and entering all your items live it then checks 3469 current members want lists for any items you have and they need. When it finds matches sends a email with link to your auction telling them a card they want is now available for them to bid and win.So by you not wanting to be part of the system and paying Seth his money how many potential buyers did you miss out on? And if those notices went out I think you would find a much better return to your consignors.

Whereas all the people using Bob from Simple there is no fee involved at all.

I believe this is Completely untrue from what I was told. I will find the emails in a few hours and post them. I have to run for a business issue right now.

[BobbyVCP]

Here is what I have Leon:

Leon,

We tried to add your current auction to our system and Seth is playing the extortionist again. Maybe you can talk some sense in him?

Aloha,

Bobby

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Fwd: RE: B&L Feed
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:06:46 -0700
From: Carlos Cespedes
To: bobbyvcp@gmail.com



----- Forwarded message from seth@createauction.com -----
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:56:21 -0400
From: Seth Nagdeman
Reply-To: seth@createauction.com
Subject: RE: B&L Feed
To: 'Carlos Cespedes'

Carlos,
http://createauctionfeeds.com/feeds/blfall2011.xml



For feeds moving forward there will be a fee of $100 to your company. If
you need it on a rush basis (within 24 hours) there will be a rush fee of
$25.00



_____

Seth Nagdeman

The Leading Online Auction Service Provider
www.createauction.com
voice (888) 340-9903 x85
seth@createauction.com



Hi Seth,



Can I get the feed for B&L



Thanks,



Carlos Cespedes

Sports Card Price Guide & Marketplace

http://www.VintageCardPrices.com

[BobbyVCP]

Then instead of even trying to talk to Seth you sent me an email saying you would not pay the fee so you wont be a part of VCP or something of that nature. When all you needed to do was talk to Seth and say something like we really want the feed to VCP and if you cant provide it then our next auction we will move to Simple. I am sure he would of gladly taken the minute it takes to provide the feed instead of risk losing a customer.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

Then instead of even trying to talk to Seth you sent me an email saying you would not pay the fee so you wont be a part of VCP or something of that nature. When all you needed to do was talk to Seth and say something like we really want the feed to VCP and if you cant provide it then our next auction we will move to Simple. I am sure he would of gladly taken the minute it takes to provide the feed instead of risk losing a customer.

This was my mistake Bobby. I misunderstood the situation and you are correct. It was our s/w provider requesting to be paid. That being said I don't think Scott and I want to pay for the service, regardless of who is charging the fee. At the end of the day it's less data on your site though. I do use VCP I just wish there were more recorded sales, for whatever reason. regards

[BobbyVCP]

Originally Posted by Leon

This was my mistake Bobby. I misunderstood the situation and you are correct. It was our s/w provider requesting to be paid. That being said I don't think Scott and I want to pay for the service, regardless of who is charging the fee. At the end of the day it's less data on your site though. I do use VCP I just wish there were more recorded sales, for whatever reason. regards

Just switch over to Simple for your next auction and the problem is solved. You can see there are a few others here that use him with no worries.

[E93]

Originally Posted by Leon

[B][U]At the end of the day it's less data on your site though. I do use VCP I just wish there were more recorded sales, for whatever reason. regards

For $100 you can have more recorded sales and referrals to your auction for 3500+ wantlists. It only takes one extra bid to pay for that $100 service. And the more info there, the better for the hobby (Some dealers may disagree.). Leon, you are a great hobby friend. I'm just sayin'...
JimB

[ZernialFan]

Being new, I did not know VCP was owned/supported by someone on the board.
But I do know that the buys were not BIN's. I 99.9% refuse to buy BIN on Ebay because they are generally X2, X3, X4 the going price of the card in the segment of the hobby I collect. I stick to auctions only. If I had known, I would have sent the info to VCP. I still have the info in my file, but do not remember which ones.

Charlie