Hake's Auction

[triwak]

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

Well, the latest Hake's Auction has now been open for a total of three days and already the prices of all key Negro League items are extremely strong. The premium items that they keep bringing out are just incredible. But........what ever happened to the old bidding startegy where you wait until the proverbial "last minute" to place your serious bids?

Phil, don't you figure this may be the same collector that was discussed last year, regarding Hake's Negro League stuff? Think someone on here knew who it was, and said he was a long-time, "serious" collector. Probably too old to be well schooled in all of our silly internet sniping schemes, and too rich to have to be!

[Runscott]

I wish auction houses would do a bit more research before exposing their descriptions. The following is a great postcard, but Hake's logic that it dates to 1904, based on the Chicago Union Giants having become the Leland Giants by 1905, is just wrong. I have only researched a limited time period, but the Union Giants were right there in Chicago with the rest of the black city teams, 1909-1912.

http://www.hakes.com/item.asp?Auction=204&ItemNo=107036

[bcbgcbrcb]

Kind of my thoughts as well, Ken.

[Brian Campf]

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[Hake's Auctions]

As everyone should now be aware of, Hake's not only does research before offering items in the auction but will make the needed changes if other information if presented after the fact and it is warranted. We strive for accuracy in all we offer (and have since 1967) but when dealing with certain subject matter where exact info/records are not readily available, if at all, it can be a difficult situation. In the case of this postcard we used info on the Negro League Baseball Players Association site nlbpa.com, which one would assume is a good source for such information. Regardless, the date we state and the date being proposed are not decades apart and does not seem to be a major issue either way. For those who have never worked on an auction catalog, 3,000+ items is a massive undertaking and we do our very best to present all in an accurate manner, but mistakes will happen. However, we always listen to what outside sources have to say.

[Runscott]

edited: My post kind of went overboard. This period of history is something that interests me, so I hate to see erroneous information published. That website that Hake's mentioned is really the problem - the info there looks valid, so now it's getting disseminated. The issue wasn't that Leland renamed his team - he did; but rather that the website indicated that the Union Giants only existed through 1904 - Peters took over that name sometime after 1904, probably 1905, but I can't verify without researching further. I've only verified 1909-1913.

This all probably sounds very esoteric, but it's history.

[Runscott]

Here's the website that Alex used: http://nlbpa.com/chicago_union_giants.html

I hate to risk offending anyone here who might have been involved in the creation of that website, but... WTF? They didn't even check for typos - Colmbia?

The 'Leland Giants' page also has errors (e.g-Leland's team became the Chicago Giants in 1910, not 1911.

http://nlbpa.com/1909_leland_giants.html

[Jacklitsch]

Doesn't the divided back date the pc to 1907 at the earliest?