1907 W600 Cobb

ls7plus · #1 10-22-2011, 12:30 PM

Thanks, Phil and Kevin. The release of Cobb much later in the run was a factor I hadn't considered. My personal feeling is that all of his cards from 1907, regardless of which was issued first during that year, will stand their ground as rookies (I don't believe that multicplicity is in conclict with the notion of a "rookie" card). IMHO, the 1906 team card doesn't qualify any more than does the 1967 Topps Mets team card, which, going by memory, does include Nolan Ryan, although the 1906 Sporting Life postcard will certainly always be a valuable card. But, we've had these discussions before, and probably the real question will be what the market decides the relative values are to be between the W600 and the team card in the future. Certainly either card would be one of the cornerstones of any great collection!

Best wishes to all the dedicated collectors out there (but I doubt that I'm going to find a new hobby),

Larry

PS: Greg, you're certainly right that attrition would have been a factor in the card's ultimate rarity, not just due to time, but the fact of paper drives associated with each World War.

Baseball Rarities · #2 10-22-2011, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ls7plus

Thanks, Phil and Kevin. The release of Cobb much later in the run was a factor I hadn't considered. My personal feeling is that all of his cards from 1907, regardless of which was issued first during that year, will stand their ground as rookies (I don't believe that multicplicity is in conclict with the notion of a "rookie" card). IMHO, the 1906 team card doesn't qualify any more than does the 1967 Topps Mets team card, which, going by memory, does include Nolan Ryan, although the 1906 Sporting Life postcard will certainly always be a valuable card. But, we've had these discussions before, and probably the real question will be what the market decides the relative values are to be between the W600 and the team card in the future. Certainly either card would be one of the cornerstones of any great collection!

Larry - I totally agree with you about Cobb's different 1907 rookie cards. I am certainly not trying to define what is or is not a rookie card - cabinet card, postcard, team card, etc. I was just trying to give collectors a timeline of when Cobb's different rookie cards were first issued.

I am very fond of the 1906 Sporting Life postcard set of 16 teams and feel that since the players are each represented by a recognizable portrait and are individually identified that it is much more substantial than a 1967 team card, but I certainly understand why others would disagree.

ls7plus · #3 10-23-2011, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

Larry - I totally agree with you about Cobb's different 1907 rookie cards. I am certainly not trying to define what is or is not a rookie card - cabinet card, postcard, team card, etc. I was just trying to give collectors a timeline of when Cobb's different rookie cards were first issued.

I am very fond of the 1906 Sporting Life postcard set of 16 teams and feel that since the players are each represented by a recognizable portrait and are individually identified that it is much more substantial than a 1967 team card, but I certainly understand why others would disagree.

I completely agree with you there, Kevin. It's a lot like coin collcectors preferring the sheer size of double eagles as opposed to more dime-like gold dollars, or why Morgan silver dollars have proven popular. Bigger is better, and the size of the Cobb portrait postcard gives it a totlally different feel than the '67 Topps Mets team picture. It is simply a great card, classified as rookie or not.

May all the collecting winds be at your back, sailing you right to your goals,

Larry

paul · #4 10-23-2011, 03:44 PM

Were the players that were offered early on -- like 1902 -- offered for the entire print run? In other words, was Delahanty still available in the 1907-10 time frame?

Paul

bcbgcbrcb · #5 10-23-2011, 04:33 PM

Paul:

My guess would be yes although interest in retired players likely would have dwindled within a couple of years.

Baseball Rarities · #6 10-23-2011, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by paul

Were the players that were offered early on -- like 1902 -- offered for the entire print run? In other words, was Delahanty still available in the 1907-10 time frame?

Paul

The Sporting Life continued to offer players after their playing days until their supply of that player ran out. In the case of Delehanty, the SL offered his card through October of 1903 - three months after his death.

Other players, such as Louis Castro, were offered for years after they played baseball. Castro's last year in the Majors was in 1902, but the SL was still offering his card as late as 1907 - the last year that I have records for. Obviously, he was not a popular choice by the readers of the SL.

When the SL offered their cards, they organized most of the players by their current team. In September of 1903, they began offering "Other Noted Players" which consisted of retired players.

sb1 · #7 10-23-2011, 05:24 PM

It would be hard to believe that only 6 or perhaps even 10 Cobbs are all that exist. In the last 15 months four different ones have been sold, and I am aware of at least two others. Surely there are more out there than 6-10??

As Kevin and others have alluded to the W600's offered changed on an ongoing basis. Many players were offered for several years, others only a short time. As late as 1913 they were stilling offering left over stock.

Baseball Rarities · #8 10-23-2011, 05:57 PM

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It would be hard to believe that only 6 or perhaps even 10 Cobbs are all that exist. In the last 15 months four different ones have been sold, and I am aware of at least two others. Surely there are more out there than 6-10??

Scott - you would surely know more than I. I only remember seeing 2 in all of my years of collecting and dealing until the recent 3 "new" examples hit the market - I believe that the other one was previously offered before. I know of another example, so that makes 6. There are probably more than 4 more in private collections that I am not aware of.

Johnny Ballgame · #9 10-26-2011, 12:35 AM

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Other players, such as Louis Castro, were offered for years after they played baseball. Castro's last year in the Majors was in 1902, but the SL was still offering his card as late as 1907 - the last year that I have records for. Obviously, he was not a popular choice by the readers of the SL.

When the SL offered their cards, they organized most of the players by their current team. In September of 1903, they began offering "Other Noted Players" which consisted of retired players.

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Originally Posted by sb1

As Kevin and others have alluded to the W600's offered changed on an ongoing basis. Many players were offered for several years, others only a short time. As late as 1913 they were stilling offering left over stock.

Here's a scan of the cabinet ad in the April 27th, 1912 issue of Sporting Life. I've tried to clean it up a bit for detail.

At that point, the players were listed in alphabetical order, en masse. Castro was still available, a full decade after his only year in the majors.

Wish I could go back and tell my great-great-grandpa to spend $2 on some premiums and take good care of them.

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