Common sense on BST

[Fred]

I gotta agree with that. If someone is being nice enough to put a good price on a card then let someone who really wants the card have a shot at it, call it good card karma.

Edited to note - I was agreeing with the first post. Leon, you're right, anybody should be able to deal on the BST. I'm not saying that it's a bad thing to try and make a buck but with the way things are now why can't people just be cool and not have to make a buck on everything. Our hobby's to the point where it's hobbyist eat hobbyist. What Mike mentioned just seems like a good guy courtesy to our fellow hobbyist. You know, kumbaya and all that $hit....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbrn9...eature=related

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Fred

I gotta agree with that. If someone is being nice enough to put a good price on a card then let someone who really wants the card have a shot at it, call it good card karma.

Edited to note - I was agreeing with the first post. Leon, you're right, anybody should be able to deal on the BST. I'm not saying that it's a bad thing to try and make a buck but with the way things are now why can't people just be cool and not have to make a buck on everything. Our hobby's to the point where it's hobbyist eat hobbyist. What Mike mentioned just seems like a good guy courtesy to our fellow hobbyist. You know, kumbaya and all that $hit....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbrn9...eature=related

Fred, I don't disagree and it's good to give people good deals and get good deals. I just think that after something is sold, at least to me, the buyer can do what they want with it. If someone says it's for their collection and uses the "Oh, can you give me a great deal because of that", and then the next day it's on the BST, don't deal with that person anymore or don't give them the same good deal again. It all works out in the long run. Just treat people fairly and everything else takes care of itself. Be a jerk and that too will come back to you.. (not "you", I am just using that phrase). The older I have gotten the more I have tried to live by Karma .

[freakhappy]

With all due respect Mike, I gotta believe after people buy something on the BST, they can resell them if they want to. If you start restricting what people can and cannot do (especially in a section that it's meant to be in), other "issues" could start to arise.

I respect what you are saying and it is a little bit irritating, but honestly when I sell a card(s), I don't sell them and tell the buyer what to do with them afterwards. You got what you wanted out of the deal, if they feel like they want to try and get more or just don't want it anymore, let it be. If you're a seller you should know what you can/should sell your cards at and when you list your card, you take a chance at listing it too high or too low. It's a free market, don't try and change it.

Just my opinion,
Mike

[Jacklitsch]

Post on the BST by Dad for cards for his young son and after making the gift find the card on the BST a month later.

[barrysloate]

I know it can ruffle people's feathers, but once you sell something you lose all control of it. The next guy is free to do whatever he wants. I've heard people say things like I'll only sell this to you if you promise to keep it in your collection, but that's never really enforceable. There is good will and karma involved in all of life's transactions, but there is a business side to this hobby too.

[vintagerookies51]

I agree with several others that they can do what they want with it... For some people (sometimes me) they intend to buy a card for their collection, but end up selling it because they spot another card they've been wanting for a long time.

[Runscott]

The opinions here are quite obviously along the lines of 'collector' and 'dealer'.

The disappointment arises when a collector is not looking to make money, hoping to pass along a good deal to a fellow collector....but instead gets hold of a dealer who spots the good deal first.

The only way around this is to offer items for sell, stating 'no dealers'. I have done this with pool cues and it works well.

[barrysloate]

It's fine to say "no dealers" but again, everyone's a dealer at some point so it's tough to enforce.

And Scott- do you sell Balabushkas?

[pow323]

Steve M. You must have delt with the same person that I did that was buying for his sons collection! What a lie that was!!

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

It's fine to say "no dealers" but again, everyone's a dealer at some point so it's tough to enforce.

And Scott- do you sell Balabushkas?

I wouldn't suggest any enforcement - I understand the frustration and I'm just saying that if you're going to get offended by flipping, then state 'no dealers' . ...Or you could offer it at a 'fair' price that a dealer would avoid.

I think most of us try not to offend other board members in our dealings and those who do are probably remembered. Also, we are all aware that dealers will swoop in on things they can flip. If we're not, then we're naive.

In the pool cue world, I was thought of as a flipper, but was more of a renter - just like I once did with cards, I wanted to handle as many examples of historic items as I could - it's the only way to learn. I've never owned a Bushka, but I've sold several Rambows and never made a nickel. I currently have one and it's probably my second-favorite collectible, right behind the 1911 bat I have that probably swung at balls thrown by Walter Ball.

Scott <=== has whined plenty of times over deals

[Fred]

I think the people that are voicing their opinion about a "free market" didn't really get the point that was trying to be made by the original poster. Why not just let a fellow collector that would really appreciate the card have it rather than rather than try to make a buck on it because you know you can.

Yeah, it says a lot about our society... it's like when you're driving, why be a prick and not let someone into traffic. Was a time when people actually tried to help each other out rather than have the mentality of having to be first or the "me me" thing. Our society just doesn't seem to get it these days.

This is a nice board and it would be nice to believe that there are a few good people out there that would put the hobby (and other hobbyist) first and their pocket book second.

What, did I offend someone - oh well.....

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by Fred

I think the people that are voicing their opinion about a "free market" didn't really get the point that was trying to be made by the original poster. Why not just let a fellow collector that would really appreciate the card have it rather than rather than try to make a buck on it because you know you can.

Yeah, it says a lot about our society... it's like when you're driving, why be a prick and not let someone into traffic. Was a time when people actually tried to help each other out rather than have the mentality of having to be first or the "me me" thing. Our society just doesn't seem to get it these days.

This is a nice board and it would be nice to believe that there are a few good people out there that would put the hobby (and other hobbyist) first and their pocket book second.

What, did I offend someone - oh well.....

In a perfect world, most everything you said makes sense

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure you can control everyone who buys your product unless you question every single buyer, which won't happen.

Funny thing is, there are people that sell items high, low and right where they should be. Why don't we just attack the people that sell items too high on here? We would save ourselves some time

[Big Ben]

I can see both sides of this debate. While I have not sold any cards on here as of yet, I have been the beneficiary of some nice deals from this forum. Perhaps the classy thing to do is if a person decides to flip a card, they need to list that card on another site. (agreeing that a person can do anything they want with a purchased card)

Originally Posted by Jacklitsch

Post on the BST by Dad for cards for his young son and after making the gift find the card on the BST a month later.

This is BS. No wonder I caught flack when I started collecting the 206's for my daughter Melody. My girl would probably burn whats left of my cards if I sold any of hers. She found My Donovan Hindu last night. I tried telling her its mine but I guess I might not get this one back Best place I could think of for it.

[Leon]

I agree with most everything said except one thing, sort of. I am sure there will be contests in the future that have cards again. Once someone wins a card in one of the contests I actually hope they will sell it if not interested. I never thought the card contest card had/has any sanctity. A few winners have told me they would be selling them, even though they didn't have to tell me, and I was perfectly fine with that. Since I am the one picking the card I would be an idiot to think whoever wins it will always have an interest in it. Once they win they can do whatever they want with it.

As I said all along I think if you are honest in your dealings the rest will take care of itself. Please do let me know of abuses on the BST too....Be courteous to your fellow collectors is the overriding rule. (since there are no firm Net54baseball rules for the BST)