JOE DOYLE variations(T206)

cfc1909 · #1 10-20-2011, 10:20 AM

This is not totally accurate

[QUOTE=tedzan;933167]The Joe Doyle card is tougher to find than most T206 commons simply because many of the cards were acquired by scammers
back in the mid-1980's in an attempt to modify this card by adding the "Nat'l" lettering to its caption, in order to replicate the
very scarce Joe Doyle error card. [QUOTE=tedzan;933167]

The reason the Doyle card is tougher to acquire is because the card was only printed with 8 backs and other cards from the same series can be found with approximately 20 backs.

Backs the Doyle can be found with

EPDG
Old Mill BBS
Piedmont
Polar Bear
Sovereign apple green
Sweet Caporal 350 factory 25
Sweet Caporal 350 factory 30
Tolstoi

tedzan · #2 10-20-2011, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cfc1909

The reason the Doyle card is tougher to acquire is because the card was only printed with 8 backs and other cards from the same series can be found with approximately 20 backs.

Hey Jim

The 63 subjects in the 350/460 series are indeed found with 20 (or more) different T206 tobacco backs (since these 63 cards were printed with certain 350 backs and
certain 460 backs).

But, the Joe Doyle (and Simon Nicholls and Bob Rhoades), who were intended to be in the 350/460 series have no 460 series backs. Most likely because these 3 subjects
had retired from the Major Leagues during or prior to the start of the press runs of the 460 series cards.

Now, since there are approx. 13 different 460 series tobacco advertising backs, it is obvious that the Joe Doyle card was printed far short of 20 backs.

The Joe Doyle is effectively a "350-Only" series card. The 350-Only series card's average number of tobacco backs is 9 different. Furthermore, surveys have shown that
most T206's in the 350-Only series are very plentiful.....EXCEPT.....for the Joe Doyle card.

So, do you question that many of the Joe Doyle cards that Larry Fritsch hoarded in the early 1980's; and subsequently, the Joe Doyle cards that the scammers had were
were lost to the hobby ? ?

TED Z

peterb69 · #3 10-20-2011, 11:47 AM

Hi Ted,

I know I can find this answer if I search this forum, but I thought it might as well be put here incase new readers are unaware of the "Doyle Hoard".

I believe I read that Larry Fritsch realized that there was the Natl version out there, so he offered to buy any Doyle card sight unseen hoping to get a few Natl versions sent in. But what I forget is what happened to his hoarded collection of Doyles?

Perhaps you could fill in details to make this thread more complete.

Thanks & good job documanting the T206's.

tedzan · #4 10-20-2011, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peterb69

Hi Ted,

I know I can find this answer if I search this forum, but I thought it might as well be put here incase new readers are unaware of the "Doyle Hoard".

I believe I read that Larry Fritsch realized that there was the Natl version out there, so he offered to buy any Doyle card sight unseen hoping to get a few Natl versions sent in. But what I forget is what happened to his hoarded collection of Doyles?

Perhaps you could fill in details to make this thread more complete.

Thanks & good job documanting the T206's.

In the early 1980's, Larry Fritsch realized that he had a Joe Doyle variation with the lettering "Nat'l" in this card's caption. He kept this to himself, and advertised in SCD
that he was buying T206 Doyle cards. He acquired many of them (Joe and Larry Doyle cards). However, none of the Joe Doyle's that he acquired had the "Nat'l" printing
on it. Circa 1986-1987, Bill Huggins finds a Joe Doyle with "Nat'l" printed on it. Fritsch buys this 2nd Joe Doyle variation from Huggins. Subsequently, its my understanding that Fritsch discreetly sold the T206 Doyle cards to select collectors in the hobby. Since, by the late 1980's, FAKE Joe Doyle "Nat'l" cards had surfaced at BB card shows.

An interesting follow-up to this story is that the 1910-11 childhood Tobacco card collection of Senator Richard Russell (which has been on display at the Univ. of Georgia
since the early 1980's) includes a Joe Doyle N. Y. Nat'l card and a Ty Cobb with a Ty Cobb back.

Consider this, if Fritsch had known of this collection back in the early 1980's, would he have stll acquired all those Doyle cards ?

TED Z

peterb69 · #5 10-20-2011, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan

Consider this, if Fritsch had known of this collection back in the early 1980's, would he have still acquired all those Doyle cards ?

I assume he still would have. He was looking for the next Sherry Magie.

bcbgcbrcb · #6 10-20-2011, 03:58 PM

Are there really three threads about this going on at the same time here?

barrysloate · #7 10-20-2011, 04:16 PM

Stina, who is new to the board, started one and revived two others. It just makes the discussion more confusing.

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