Ebay Selling Experience...

[glchen]

Did the buyer have a lot of feedback or just a few?

[Clutch-Hitter]

sai81 (27)

twenty-seven total and none for a while until October 1

[glchen]

It's looking bad for you as the previous poster stated. There's a decent chance that the buyer will be the one who will be tampering w/ your card and claiming that you did it. Hopefully someone else will chime in w/ some advice, but you might want to post this question on the PSA boards. There are a lot of ebay sellers on that site who often give advice for things like these. My first thought is to contact ebay support and see what your options are here. Not sure if there is something better to do.

[alanu]

I hope you get the same card back.

A couple of years ago I had the same thing happen with a card I had just gotten graded with PSA, fortunately, I received the same card back. I always assumed the buyer thought he could flip it quickly for a profit at a show or with someone he knew, and then when it didn't pan out wanted to return it. Hopefully something like that is the case here too.

-Alan

[GemMintAuctions]

Best case is he actually thinks this case may have been tampered or he just has a case of buyer's remorse. Worst case is you're dealing with a scammer who wants your card for free. If he paid you through Paypal and files a SNAD claim, he'll get his money back either way and all you can do is hope that he sends you back your card in the condition that you sent it out in. Based on my experience, I think you'll find ebay customer support less than helpful if this guy decides to rip you off.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Thanks for the help, apparently this isn't a new thing. Man, I'm hot!

Gary, where should this be posted on PSA's forum; I've never used it? Thanks

[iggyman]

Call me naive, but I think you will get the same card back. Looks like a case of a buyer who is over analyzing things and really believes the case has been tampered with (or is just not happy with how the card looks). In my experiences, scammers tend not to be so polite and don't know diddly about third grade grammar. In this case, I believe you will be just fine.

Lovely Day...

[bobbyw8469]

I like the way the card looks. If you have any interest in selling it to me for what the scammer....err...I mean "bidder" paid, then please pm me!! By the way, how much did he pay?

[smtjoy]

I agree big time with Cy, make sure to open it in front of your postal carrier. that way if by chance it was sent back empty then you can go after him for fraud.

I do think its most likely the buyer just wants to return the card, years ago before I decided to have a no questions asked refund policy I used to get odd request like this a lot, and it was just what people were having to say to get an ebay "not as described" return. The funny thing was once I added a return policy I stopped getting these and on top of that my number of returns dropped by a lot, odd but happy about it.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by iggyman

Call me naive, but I think you will get the same card back. Looks like a case of a buyer who is over analyzing things and really believes the case has been tampered with (or is just not happy with how the card looks). In my experiences, scammers tend not to be so polite and don't know diddly about third grade grammar. In this case, I believe you will be just fine.

Lovely Day...

Thanks Iggyman. My primary problem with this was being labeled a criminal by someone on the other side of the country. But yeah, I hope to get the same exact card back. He's been buying PSA graded cards since 10/1/11, so if he's received them, he can simply look at those holders and note the same characteristics on the PSA holders. My better half made a similar comment: he bought the card and is manufacturing an excuse to send it back. The card is VG; it's not a poor weaseled into a 3 holder. And there's nothing wrong with the holder (except it's PSA and not SGC, right?).

Having said that, you're comment does indeed make sense.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Cy and Scott,

Good idea. I would not have thought of that. Thanks

[pclpads]

Useful rule of thumb: "the lower the FB rating (27 here), the greater the moron factor you will have to deal with."

[YankeeCollector]

I USUALLY SAY...NO RETURNS ON GRADED CARDS.....AND I THINK U WOULD WIN YOUR PAYPAL CASE AS LONG AS YOU DID SIGNATURE CONFIRMATION ON CARDS OVER $200. You delivered a PSA 3 card. What more can you do? Unless, your scans were deceiving which they dont seem to be.

[Clutch-Hitter]

I mailed it fully insured with signature confirmation, but I do not have "no returns on graded cards" in my listings. Good idea.

Gary, Dave, Dan, Dave F, Jim...thank you for the information. Gary, BTW, I got a little lost on the PSA message boards.

The buyer said (wrote) that he's inexperienced and found information on how to determine if a PSA holder had been tampered with, adding he found such evidence on the holder he questioned. He said he didn't intend to accuse me of tampering with the holder (someone else?). He said he still isn't sure the card is authentic, but he will keep the card and resell it. He read this thread after I messaged him the link and felt I "turned it around on him." The purpose of sending the link, which I did immediately after starting this thread, was to invite him here for a discussion on this topic. I thought the invitation was nothing more than cordial.

Therefore, the buyer has an authentic '33 Goudey Dizzy Dean in VG condition, fully sealed in a PSA 3 holder. The Dean is one of the tougher cards in the set IMO.

And that is where it stands at the moment.

PSA holders will accumulate scratches, even if handled carefully. SGC and Beckett holders are awesome!

I just noticed that one of the top vintage card sellers (and one of my favorites) just bought one of my Goudeys. Great hobby!

[GemMintAuctions]

Originally Posted by YankeeCollector

I USUALLY SAY...NO RETURNS ON GRADED CARDS.....AND I THINK U WOULD WIN YOUR PAYPAL CASE AS LONG AS YOU DID SIGNATURE CONFIRMATION ON CARDS OVER $200. You delivered a PSA 3 card. What more can you do? Unless, your scans were deceiving which they dont seem to be.

This may have been true in the past, but nowadays ebay/paypal is siding with the buyer in even the most ridiculous SNAD disputes. A lightly scratched or frosted PSA case would be more than enough for paypal to grant the buyer a full refund upon receipt of proof that a package was delivered back to the seller (delivery confirmation for items under $250, signature confirmation for items $250 or more).