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Old 10-07-2011, 07:09 AM
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Default 1888 Joseph Hall cabinet

I'm not sure if this one has been shown or not
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Old 10-07-2011, 09:29 AM
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Thanks Matt for posting the Joseph Hall cabinet. The quality of your image is much better than the one I have.

I'm also looking for a good image of his 1886 J. Wood cabinet. Heritage sold one in 2009 but the image quality isn't that great.

http://sports.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...No=81009#Photo
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Old 01-06-2012, 01:04 PM
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Here is an item that has never been posted before. It's the 1889 report card of Jim O'Rourke's daughter Sarah, my great-grandmother. It was mixed in with a box of family photographs (not well protected), and I saw it over Thanksgiving for the first time when we were looking through photos. I was pleasantly surprised to see that Jim O'Rourke signed the report card.

I like the comment in the "Explanations" section: "Any number below 70 should cause solicitude to the parent". I had to brush up on my vocabulary...from Websters: "solicitude is a feeling of excessive concern, an uneasiness of mind occasioned by fear of evil or desire good, anxiety".

We also have a couple pieces of silverware that have Sarah's initials, "S.OR", on the handle.
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Old 01-06-2012, 07:26 PM
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This scorecard is from the May 7, 1880 match between the Boston and Troy (the date says May 11 but Troy came in for a three game series and for some reason this scorecard was used to score the first game which was Friday's). 1880 was the only year that Jim O'Rourke and his brother John played on the same major league team. In the Boston lineup Jim is batting second and John is batting third. This scorecard is also significant in that for Troy Roger Connor is playing in his fourth major league game and Mickey Welch is starting his second major league game.
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Old 01-07-2012, 11:30 AM
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Wow, orator, that's quite a find! O'Rourke autos pull big bucks. I have no idea if you're interested in moving a piece that has such personal history attached to it, but many HOF auto collectors would pay a lot to add something like that to their collection.

Also, for whatever it's worth, you may or may not have seen (or even have interest in) this cut signature card from 2004 Topps Tribute. It has been on ebay for quite a long time. No image there, just a cut auto.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JAMES-JIM-OR...item20ae31d86f
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Old 01-07-2012, 01:16 PM
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Jay, thanks for posting the scorecard and for your help in locating O'Rourke cards. It is very much appreciated. Mighty, I've also noticed that $10K cut signature card on ebay for a while...it's too bad the signature is no longer part of the original document. By the way, your HOF autograph collection is pretty amazing.
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Jay, thanks for posting the scorecard and for your help in locating O'Rourke cards. It is very much appreciated. Mighty, I've also noticed that $10K cut signature card on ebay for a while...it's too bad the signature is no longer part of the original document. By the way, your HOF autograph collection is pretty amazing.
Thanks! No O'Rourke, of course. I don't currently have the funds for such a tough auto.

I agree about the card on ebay. I have wondered what the signature was cut from (and where Topps purchased it) for awhile now.

This is a great thread. I've learned a lot about your relative.
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Thank you to those who sent me PMs regarding the 1889 High School report card of Jim O'Rourke's daughter Sarah, which is signed by Jim O'Rourke. As a follow up to post #37, O'Rourke's great-granddaughter (my mother) decided to put the report card up for auction with REA. I submitted a letter detailing the report card's history within our family, which I posted below. This is the first time we've auctioned anything related to O'Rourke. The few items we did have were donated decades ago to the Baseball Hall of Fame (signed baseball, 1879 Providence Championship pin). Hopefully someone from Net54 will be the winning bidder.
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REA's description:
The signature of nineteenth-century Hall of Famer Jim O’Rourke is exceedingly rare and is often absent in even the most advanced autograph collections. Offered here is not only an outstanding example of that great rarity, but one that is accompanied by the ironclad provenance of originating directly from the O'Rourke family! O'Rourke's signature, penned "Jas. H. O'Rourke," appears on a Bridgeport High School report card, dated March 29, 1889, issued to his daughter Sarah, a member of the junior class. The signature, executed in black fountain pen within the appropriate box, grades "7," with the top portion of the "J" a little light. O'Rourke was probably extremely proud in signing this, as it is noted on the report card that Sarah was currently second in her class with a cumulative average of "98." It is also interesting to note that Sarah scored "97" in declamation, which was a course in oratory. The apple does not fall far from the tree and that is a grade truly befitting the daughter of "Orator Jim." Some advanced collectors might already be familiar with this piece because it was first made public on the Net54 chat board in January 2012, by our consignor: the great-great grandson of James O' Rourke. In his accompanying letter of provenance, he details the report card's history.

The remarkable provenance accompanying this piece cannot be overstated, especially when it relates to such a rare nineteenth-century Hall of Fame signature. Authenticity is always of paramount importance to autograph collectors and rare signatures, by their very nature, are the most difficult to authenticate in part because of the lack of exemplars. The fact that the offered piece comes directly from the family, and is accompanied by such a well-documented history, is probably the best assurance one can possibly have of its authenticity, outside of hopping in a time machine, setting the dial to 1889 and watching O'Rourke sign it personally. Adding to both the appeal and significance of this piece is that it was signed during O'Rourke's active playing career and is, to the best of our knowledge, the earliest known O'Rourke signature example.

O'Rourke was a member of the New York Giants' 1888 and 1889 World Championship clubs, and he finished the 1889 campaign with 3 home runs, 81 RBI, and a .321 average. O’Rourke played in the National Association, the National League, and the Player's League over the course of his nineteen-year career. One of the top hitters of his era, he finished his career with a .310 lifetime average and one batting title (1884 with Buffalo). He is also noteworthy for having made the first hit in National League history, in 1876. Twenty-eight years later, at the age of fifty-two, O'Rourke again made history by becoming the oldest player to play a complete game in the Majors. Coaxed out of retirement for one game by John McGraw, O'Rourke caught all nine innings for the Giants in a game against the Reds at the Polo Grounds on September 22, 1904. O'Rourke had one hit in four at bats as the Giants defeated the Reds 7-5 to clinch the National League pennant. O'Rourke originally retired after the 1893 season but remained in baseball in a number of capacities: managing in the minors, umpiring for one year in the Majors, and serving as president of the Connecticut League (which later became the Eastern Association). O'Rourke passed away in 1919 and was elected to the Hall of Fame in 1945. Although O'Rourke served in an official capacity for a number of years, his signature remains one of the most elusive of all Hall of Fame players.

The report card (5 x 6.5 inches) displays handling wear commensurate with its age and former use, including light, uneven, toning, a few small border tears and creases, and a tiny stain in the lower left corner. In Very Good condition overall. LOA from James Spence/JSA. Reserve $2,000. Estimate (open).
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