'49 Leaf Satchel Paige, real or not?

[gareterag]

A few months back I purchased one and it turns out it was actually Teds scans and the seller never had the card and I did not notice until I already paid for the card.

Be careful of non graded and even graded as its best to purchase from someone with very high feedback or someone from this board.

Best luck
Garet

[FUBAR]

Besides the colors, look at the way the red and yellow borders line up on the fake vs the real one.... quit common for fakes to line up much nicer then the real ones.

[dougscats]

There is no certain way of telling from that front scan if it is an original 1949 LEAF card, or a fake.

Thanks, Ted, for that. And thank you all; the circumstancial evidence that you give is compelling, and there's some good advice in general that I'll bear in mind for the future.

Can one tell if it's a fake from the back of the card?
Interestingly enough, I am now being given a "Second Chance" to buy it!

SECOND CHANCE OFFER

1949 Leroy (Satchel) Paige #80 $113.62
$3.99
5h 42m
Buy it now
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eBay note: You have received a Second Chance Offer for this item. Click here to view your offer.

I sent the seller a message, asking him if he were sure the card was authentic, and if he could send me a scan of the back.
I'm sorry I didn't ask sooner, but if I get an answer, I'll let you know.

Doug

[terjung]

Doesn't surprise me in the least that you got a second chance offer. That happens a lot when sellers shill their auction too high. That's another warning sign to add to the mix.

[dougscats]

I agree; it has the smell of a shill. The original winning bidder had only 18 stars feedback, as did the winner of the Musial card [that I was third highest on].

The seller did respond by the way:

I bought it as an original 2 weeks ago at Montréal
I know the card isn't graded so i sell it as unknow
I can only say that this card is amazing ! A great Deal


Charles-
Le 2011-10-03 à 07:37, eBay Member: dougscats a écrit
I again replied, asking him for a scan of the back.

I'm going out for a couple of hours, but will be back before the BIN offer ends, so if any of you have any last thought, please chime in.

And hopefully I'll get an answer as to whether or not one can tell it's a fake from a scan of the back.

Later,

Doug

[tedzan]

Avoid this seller.

His latest posting on ebay are these 4 cards......

1949 LEAF Ted Williams
1941 PLAY BALL Ted Williams
1940 PLAY BALL Shoeless Joe Jackson
1940 PLAY BALL Joe DiMaggio

These are all reprints (again, no back images).
Several years ago a scammer from the Michigan area was reproducing these, and many other vintage star cards (E90's, T206's, and Goudey's).
The front scans of these cards posted on ebay were good enough, in that it was difficult to discern if they were real or fake. However, it is ob-
vious from their backs that they are REPRINTS. I have a 1941 PLAY BALL Joe DiMaggio card from this scammer whose back shows exactly what
I'm talking about.

Notice how this seller attempts to cover himself by stating......"Era: Post-WWII (1942-1980)"

Dooooh......1940, 1941 issues......"Post-WWII (1942-1980)"......this tells us all we need to know !


TED Z

[dougscats]

Thanks, Ted.
He replied that he'd have to wait till tomorrow when he was home to send a scan. I then asked him to extend my time on BIN, till after I'd seen the scan.

It'll be interesting to see if he sends it.

It was also good to hear that you really couldn't tell if it was fake from the front scan, because despite all that's been said I hate to admit that it still looks real to me.
Don't worry; I'm taking all your advice.
If there are any developments, I'll keep you posted.

I have another academic question, though, on a related topic:
If I were to buy a reprint and realize it was a fake after I got it in the mail and examined it [I've been using a pocket microscope for a couple of years and have just bought a new blacklight], wouldn't ebay refund my money if the seller didn't? Doesn't ebay guarantee it?

I've bought a couple of cards that on inspection turned out to be fakes. In all cases thus far, the seller has been apologetic and refunded my money with no problems. But if the seller didn't refund it, wouldn't ebay/paypal?

Thanks again,

Doug

[rainier2004]

Doug:
Just had an issue w/ the bay and heres how it went for me.
Expensive purchase and cards were "not as advertised" (b/c of condition) so ebay forced seller to return money and s/h chanrges immediately b/c it "was not as advertised"...seller refunder but idk what would have happened hadnt they. BUT, this seller emailed you that authenticity is "unknown" and at tjis point I beleive if you buy it, ebay, paypal and your cc company will not back you b/c of thie "unknown"....ie, dont buy "unknown" status cards....be careful Doug, if theres a bad feeling in your gut just walk away and report to net54, ebay, etc. It never cost anything to walk away.

[dougscats]

Thanks for pointing that out, Steve.
The BIN offer will expire in about 15 minutes; whether he extends it or not remains to be seen. I'm not going to buy at this point even if he does, but I'd still like to see a scan of the back.
I'll post it if he does send it to me.

Doug