This Is A Tragedy

[D. Bergin]

That's ridiculous, though I get the sense Tito wanted out anyways.

Sox always seem to be looking for a scapegoat, whether it's Buckner, Grady Little, Carl Crawford, Francona or Babe Ruth cursing them. You'd think a couple World Series titles would have changed that mentality.

[bbcard1]

He'll probably get stuck with a massive pay raise in a more livable city with more rational fans.

[Griffins]

Originally Posted by bbcard1

He'll probably get stuck with a massive pay raise in a more livable city with more rational fans.

Doubtful, despite the turmoil Mattingly did a good job, and Scoscia's job is safe forever.

[Ladder7]

Originally Posted by bbcard1

He'll probably get stuck with a massive pay raise in a more livable city with more rational fans.

I find my town quite livable (wtf that means) and every member of my family and coworker wants Tito to stay put. Some fans are over the top, everywhere. Now please, get your head out yer butt.

Ps, til the Bs hit the ice, i am permitted to be cranky


Have a nice day, Steve

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by bbcard1

He'll probably get stuck with a massive pay raise in a more livable city with more rational fans.

Boston is a very liveable city,,, great restaurants, surrounded by history, theatre, museums,,,

[thekingofclout]

Originally Posted by bbcard1

He'll probably get stuck with a massive pay raise in a more livable city with more rational fans.

+1 And win another title or two!

[Kenny Cole]

Scott.

I agree that a manager's responsibilty is to field the best team and, more importantly, to win. Francona did that for most of the season. Then he didn't. Did he suddenly become a poor manager and make bad decisions at the end of the season? My guess is that he remained pretty well the same and that some (nearly all) of his players tanked at the end of the season.

I would be real interested in your input about what he should have done to reverse a 7-20 September, what decisions he should have made and didn't, and who should have been in the lineup (in order to win) who wasn't. Let me know when you have that all figured out. Then we can talk.

Kenny

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

Scott.

I agree that a manager's responsibilty is to field the best team and, more importantly, to win. Francona did that for most of the season. Then he didn't. Did he suddenly become a poor manager and make bad decisions at the end of the season? My guess is that he remained pretty well the same and that some (nearly all) of his players tanked at the end of the season.

I would be real interested in your input about what he should have done to reverse a 7-20 September, what decisions he should have made and didn't, and who should have been in the lineup (in order to win) who wasn't. Let me know when you have that all figured out. Then we can talk.

Kenny

Kenny - we don't really need to talk further on this. If you think a manager's responsibilities end on September 5, that's your right.

[Kenny Cole]

Scott,

Wow, this is like the old days. Did Francona's responsibilities end on 9/5? Obviously no. Did he become a much worse manager on that date? I think the answer to that question is evident as well. Did his players falter after 9/5? I defy you to say no.

There is no question that a manager (or pitching coatch) can impact the result of a game. But can you seriously argue that Francona somehow became a worse manager than he was in the years when he was winning the series? Did he make worse decisons with better players? If you believe that to be the case, please explain because I'm not seeing it.

Kenny

[barrysloate]

On Sunday, September 4, Curb Your Enthusiasm ran an episode starring Bill Buckner and Mookie Wilson, and it parodied Buckner's famous error as he dropped a ball signed by Mookie out an open widow. The next day the Red Sox began their historic collapse.

Call it the curse of Larry David.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

Scott,

Wow, this is like the old days. Did Francona's responsibilities end on 9/5? Obviously no. Did he become a much worse manager on that date? I think the answer to that question is evident as well. Did his players falter after 9/5? I defy you to say no.

There is no question that a manager (or pitching coatch) can impact the result of a game. But can you seriously argue that Francona somehow became a worse manager than he was in the years when he was winning the series? Did he make worse decisons with better players? If you believe that to be the case, please explain because I'm not seeing it.

Kenny

Kenny - in the real world people can have differing opinions and they don't have to have to end up agreeing in the end. But this is the internet, and I realize that all discussions have to end in a virtual dual to prove 'the winner'.

I'm opting out.

[GrayGhost]

Awful move by the Red Sox. OF course, they always "fire the manager" when things fall apart.

I did just hear from a clip of Curt Schilling, who said there were "camaraderie issues" according to Francona. Course, that's only part of it.

[sycks22]

It had nothing to do with Crawford hitting .240 or Lackey's almost 7.00 era. It was all coaching. What a joke. 2 titles in 8 years and now you're yesterday's trash cuz your team fell a part.

[barrysloate]

Shouldn't topics like these be posted in the watercooler section? We have a forum for sports talk that is hardly ever used.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Shouldn't topics like these be posted in the watercooler section? We have a forum for sports talk that is hardly ever used.

This is exactly what that section was made for.

[oldjudge]

Barry-you are such an old lady

[barrysloate]

If more posters put threads like this in the watercooler section, it would increase the traffic over there. I like the lounge and sports section, wish there was more going on. Maybe some posters don't even know we have it.

[barrysloate]

Jay- I anticipated that would be your response. Hey, you can't always be popular.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

If more posters put threads like this in the watercooler section, it would increase the traffic over there. I like the lounge and sports section, wish there was more going on. Maybe some posters don't even know we have it.

Hi Barry - hope you are doing well. Since I don't post much, I hesitate to give my opinion, but maybe that fact might give some insight. The guys who use these forums are basically interested in vintage cards, so when a topic like this comes up, it's by vintage card guys, wanting to discuss with other vintage card guys, thus an automatic appropriate audience.

Having said that, other forums avoid this sort of thing by having a button for seeing 'all active topics' in ALL sub-forums. Maybe something like that would help you with your forum thread organization concerns.