Brown Lenox Prices

[teetwoohsix]

Great post above Tim, I agree 100%. Also, great observation in the OP.

It's also interesting trying to figure out why these particular cards were printed with this different color back. Could it have been a card included in maybe a test run on a "new premium blend" of Lenox? Or, just got a different batch of Brown ink?

Either way, it seems certain that many collectors are very aware of the rarity of the Brown Lenox back, and I agree that the Lajoie SGC 50 was a great buy !!!

I also agree that there's now more competition for the mid-level backs (Tolstoi, EPDG,CB,Sov,etc- those are more in my range as well). I do focus mainly on the fronts but I want a well rounded collection with a variety of backs as well.

Thanks for the thread-

Sincerely, Clayton

[tedzan]

Here is my theory on the T206 brown LENOX cards.....just a theory, guys, for you to ponder.....so, don't go "wacko" on me.

GIVEN......

1....All (or most) brown LENOX cards are Factory cut; therefore, not "scrap". I view them as legitimate color printing errors.

2....LENOX cards were printed (concurrent with UZIT cards) during the tail-end press runs of the T206 issue (American Litho-
graphic records, circa..early Spring 1911, confirms this).

3....the Brown ink is the same ink used to print the T206 fronts and their captions.

Then, perhaps during these late T206 press runs of the LENOX backs, the printer inked the printing plates with brown ink instead
of black ink. And, printed a few brown LENOX sheets

If so, I think we can predict with better than 50/50 probability which 350/460 series and 460-only T206 cards may be found with
the brown LENOX back by correlating with the subjects of the confirmed UZIT lists....listed here:

The bold listed subjects on this list of confirmed UZIT's are also the currently confirmed brown LENOX cards

350/460 series

Ames (hands in air)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
Burch (fielding)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Jordan (bat)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (St Louis-no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Tinker (bat off)
Wagner (bat on right shoulder)
Doc White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)

460-only series

Abbaticcio (blue sleeves)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (follow thru)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Howie Camnitz (arms up)
Harry Camnitz (arms side)
Chance (bat)
Chase (trophy)
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Lake (St Louis-with ball)
Latham
Marquard (follow thru)
Merkle (throwing)
Murray (portrait)
Oldring (bat)
Overall (blue sky)
Schaefer (Washington)
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (bat)
Schulte (back view)
Seymour (portrait)
Tinker (bat on)
Wiltse (portrait-cap)


I have identified 19 brown LENOX cards. Now, I'm aware of two other brown LENOX cards that have been reported, Willis (throw-
ing) and CYoung (glove). However, these two subjects do not exist with UZIT backs. Therefore, they are either anomalies to my
theory or they have been mis-reported ? ?

I expect that more brown LENOX cards will surface. So, please show or tell us of any additional ones not identified here.

Thanks,

TED Z

[Abravefan11]

Ted –

To answer your question the Vic Willis (Throwing) and Cy Young (Glove Shows) on your check list are bad confirmations. I have spoken to the person that confirmed the Willis and they directed me to the auction listing for the card and it was a Vic Willis (w/ Bat) brown Lenox. Right player, wrong pose. The Cy Young was advertised for sale on the B/S/T as a brown Lenox but turned out to be a black Lenox example. The current owner of this card is a board member who without question knows the difference between the brown and black and was able to clear this up.

I have been able to narrow down the number of possible subjects that were printed with a brown Lenox back to about 40. In doing so I haven’t seen any connection between Uzit and brown Lenox. Most cards that can be found with a brown Lenox will also be found with a Uzit but I don’t believe one to be a determining factor for the other.

[tedzan]

Thanks Tim for confirming that the Willis (throwing) and the CYoung (glove) were bad inputs. I had a strong feeling that they were;
but, I had no proof of this.

Regarding the linkage that I have hypothesized between UZIT and brown LENOX, it might be a coincidence (as you are suggesting).
However, the circumstances that I have been looking at indicate that a linkage is plausible.


TED Z

[wonkaticket]

Tim I think has some very good points in this thread. While I do see some ups and downs with some backs I think Tim’s points are correct in that, more folks get their start with T206 or come home again later in collecting if you will.

I also think more folks are becoming more educated and also seeking education in depth for ways to collect this group of cards. I think more folks are seeking little nuances to carve a way to collect this set. Because quite frankly doing it soup to nuts can be a bit out of most folk’s budgets me included. That is why it is so important to make sure whatever info we share is correct and concise.

Tim made a good point that I have seen going on for some time. As more obscure backs and variations price themselves away from folks people will go next in line to brands such as Sovereign, EPDG, American Beauty, Cycle etc. and hence you will see increases in demand and prices.



I was happy to add a second brown Lenox this auction to my collection and deranged mad man or not I thought the price was very fair if not almost cheap.

Cheers,

John

[Gradedcardman]

Congrats John. They are awesome cards and I hope to get a secong one myself one day !!

[wonkaticket]

Adam, you have a nice one if I recall....correct?