Trimmed Card Crossover

[bobbyw8469]

Not hardly. All you PSA bashers kill me! BOTH card companies make mistakes! SGC is not infallible, nor are they far from perfect. Neither is PSA. But I have had PSA catch several SGC mistakes that SGC later said was a mistake as well (it was SGC's mistake to begin with!)....never the other way around.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

never the other way around.

So, you've had PSA catch SGC's mistakes, but never the other way around? Could that be because you don't submit to SGC? Nice spin there, Bobby. Sounds good though.

You sit there and run SGC into the ground, but the fact of the matter is you've probably never submitted more than half a dozen cards to SGC in your life. Other than Walter Hagan (which you only sent in to "test" SGC), how many cards have you ever sent them? Show us your invoices. Go ahead and post them and prove me wrong.

Yes, I bash PSA, but when I do it, it's because I know what I'm talking about. I've sent them hundreds of cards to grade, as well as SGC. SGC is now my grader of choice because I believe they're more consistent. So, when I bash PSA, I have something to compare them to unlike you that have absolutely no valid reason to bash SGC.

I've got a bet for you, little girl. You post your SGC submissions and I'll post my PSA submissions. I'll bet you $100 that I've submitted 10X the cards to PSA that you have submitted to SGC. What's it going to be Bobby? You got the cohones to take my bet?

[ullmandds]

Wow...can anyone say..."cat fight!"

[bobbyw8469]

David James is a bored little man who has nothing better to do than start crud with me every time he turns around. I REFUSE to stoop to his level.
SGC only saves the most recent invoices, unlike PSA that saves every single one. I have submitted cards to SGC since 2007/2008. If they would save every invoice I would have no problem. I refuse to post just the last 6 invoices. By your constant name calling and belittling, you are showing what calibre of man you really are.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

SGC only saves the most recent invoices, unlike PSA that saves every single one.

Bobby, that's simply not true. I can view all my invoices back to 2009. I can't go back any further becasue I submitted under a different customer number and I can't remember that username and password for that account, but I can go back at least two years. I KNEW you didn't have cohones!

[alanu]

I've had a few cards that were viewed trimmed by PSA and then were slabbed by SGC, all but one were diamond stars.

[vintagecpa]

Originally Posted by alanu

I've had a few cards that were viewed trimmed by PSA and then were slabbed by SGC, all but one were diamond stars.

Getting back to the topic. In your opinion, who was correct? If one grading company states a card is trimmed, but another slabs it, in most cases, who is correct? Or is there that much of a gray area?

Basically, my question would be is it more likely for a TPG to determine a clean card is trimmed, or is it more likely that a TPG slab a trimmed card as clean? In my particular case, I was almost positive a card I returned was trimmed. Thanks.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Bobby, that's simply not true. I can view all my invoices back to 2009. I can't go back any further becasue I submitted under a different customer number and I can't remember that username and password for that account, but I can go back at least two years. I KNEW you didn't have cohones!

David,

What Bobby says is true. I don't know how you're able to view your old invoices unless you know those invoices #'s like I said in my last post. If you see my attached screenshot, I can only see my Recent Invoices to the beginning of 2011.

[vintagetoppsguy]

I see all of mine.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

David James is a bored little man who has nothing better to do than start crud with me every time he turns around. I REFUSE to stoop to his level.
SGC only saves the most recent invoices, unlike PSA that saves every single one. I have submitted cards to SGC since 2007/2008. If they would save every invoice I would have no problem. I refuse to post just the last 6 invoices. By your constant name calling and belittling, you are showing what calibre of man you really are.

On an off-topic, not saving all invoices is a pretty annoying thing at SGC. Saying that I've sorta found a way around it if you remember your old invoice #'s. And again, if you don't quite remember them, SGC uses the invoice numbers on the flip before the dash, so if you have a card from that invoice (or a scan of the card), you can get the invoice number from there. So if your flip is 123456789-987, then your invoice # for that flip is 123456789.

What you do is to log into SGC, and then click the "Track Invoice" tab at the top. From there, you enter your old invoice # that is no longer appearing, and search for it, and it will appear. I've attached screenshots of the Track Invoice tab, and an old invoice I searched for which you can see is no longer a part of the Recent Invoices.

Again, among my pet peeves for SGC is for them to fix this and show all invoices. Another peeve is for them to fix their Population Reports. PSA shows every year for each sport that they have a graded set in. For SGC, you have to search for the year. You would think that this is normally pretty easy, but SGC uses circa years a lot (e.g., things like c.1915 or c.1930s) so it's tough to get the search criteria exactly right if you're not completely sure what you're looking for. In addition, when you do a player search in the pop report, it doesn't default show the results by year. You can still sort by year by clicking on the Year in the column header in the pop report. You can see my 3rd picture for that. However, SGC still doesn't show the circa years sorted correctly. If you go to the last page, you can see some of the circa years, but not all of them. (Another pet peeve is that SGC should allow you to see all of the pop report for a player or set on one page instead of having to go through 9 pages.) In the last picture, I show a c.1915 Ruth that doesn't appear on the pop report when I search for all cards for Ruth, but if I enter the c.1915 for the year, then the card appears.

Anyway, I'm sure the argument will be that SGC spends its resources on what really counts, i.e., the grading, which is fine. Still it'd be nice if they make a few things easier to use.