Crossover Question

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by E93

the breaks in the printing on the back are actually paper loss

Correct. That was the first thing I noticed. Whenever I look at a PSA card, that is the first thing I look for because they tend to ignore or overlook minor paper loss like that. I'm guessing SGC will grade it a 1.5 or 2.

[bcbgcbrcb]

My guess would be an SGC 30

[John V]

Amazing. I never expected these comments. Does PSA overlook such traits only w/pre-war or do they grade with the same standards on post-war?
Is this viewed as a weakness of PSA or just "their grading style"?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by John V

Amazing. I never expected the these comments. Does PSA overlook such traits only w/pre-war or do they grade with the same standards on post-war?
Is this viewed as a weakness of PSA or just "their grading style"?

I'm bias, so I'll let someone answer. However, even w/o the ink or paper loss, it still should not have graded a 5. From their own website a PSA 5 "must be 85/15 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the back." That is definitely not 90/10 centering on the back. I'll ge generous and call it 97/3

[Leon]

my guesses.....SGC would grade it a 20 or 30....BVG would grade it a 1.5 to 2......There are some small amounts of paper loss on the back, where the factory markings are, along with the ink? spots.

[glchen]

Funny this discussion about paper loss. I just got this Eclipse Ruth in today (from Legendary). The first picture is from the Legendary listing, which was obviously too small, and I should've probably asked for a larger scan. Lesson learned.

So if I cracked this card out, would it be able to make it into a PSA 3 holder? Or if I cracked it out, would it even make it back into an SGC 40/3 holder? The card is very nice looking except for the paper loss in front.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Gary,

If you're talking about the bottom edge, I consider that wear, not paper loss. It would be like saying a card with rounded corners has paper loss.

Example: The Duffy below has rounded corners. I am sure the corners were sharp when the card left the factory. Does that mean it has paper loss? No, it's considered wear altough technically the paper is no longer there.

Anyway, that's my opinion, but I would love to hear others.