Mamamia! Checkout this CU Thread regarding Waverly82

[CharleyBrown]

Didn't know about waverly's past...

Bought my '60 Yaz and '60 McCovey RCs from him... both came back as PSA 6s... thought the Yaz was better, but I guess I should count my blessings that the card didn't come back as trimmed or altered.

I'm starting to feel like it's not even worth trying to buy raw cards off eBay at this point.

I saw Spence actually bought some cards from waverly as well.

[WhenItWasAHobby]

......but I gave him the benefit of a doubt someone else was the problem. Here's an e-mail memorializing our last bit of business.


FROM: ERIC BREITENBACH
TO: Dan Markel
Sunday, September 23, 2007 3:06 PM

Dan, I'm sorry you are not happy with the cards and, as I've learned now, many others in the past. I will refund on the '71's and will understand if you take your business elsewhere. I am sorry, but I did not see a problem, and have had no complaints, and in all candor, very seldom do, especially considering the volume of cards I deal with. I do wish you all the best, and again, I apologize for any trouble this has caused. Thanks,
ERIC BREITENBACH
PO BOX ( Number removed for privacy)
DANVILLE, KY 40423

----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Markel
To: Eric Breitenbach
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 11:09 AM
Subject: 1971 Topps cards

Eric,

Well I received the 1971 Topps cards, and just looking over them with a loop its obvious that at least half have been re-colored. I'll have to look over the rest very carefully this weekend to be sure the remainder aren't re-colored either.

I know I've warn out my welcome on returns from our last e-mail exchange over two months ago, and since then I've opted to just keep some bad cards I've received from you since then, like some over-graded and trimmed 1970s and 1961s. But I can't continue to take a beating like this, so I'll be sending back the bad '71s, probably on Monday.

Dan

[xdrx]

Originally Posted by CharleyBrown

Didn't know about waverly's past...

Bought my '60 Yaz and '60 McCovey RCs from him... both came back as PSA 6s... thought the Yaz was better, but I guess I should count my blessings that the card didn't come back as trimmed or altered.

I'm starting to feel like it's not even worth trying to buy raw cards off eBay at this point.

I saw Spence actually bought some cards from waverly as well.

It seems to me like you can't trust buying raw cards that appear to be of higher quality (PSA 7+ maybe?) unless you know the seller. It really creates a cloud over this hobby to me. You have the grading industry with tons of power because they validate the high quality cards that command premium dollars. That premium, in turn, leads some dealers to buy nice cards and doctor them, trying to get some of that cash. That action, in turn, makes the grading industry all the more powerful, as the average collector has a tough time plunking down decently large bucks for a high end card that is not graded.

I don't know if the chicken or the egg came first here, but I'd sure like to know who is in bed with whom in this industry. I am very impressed with you guys who can sniff this stuff out with confidence, but my guess is that those of you who can are in the vast minority.

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Unbelievable! CU/PSA deleted that thread.

Surely it wasn't because they were afraid of being sued? I seem to recall that Joe Orlando knows about the protective legal rights of message board sponsors since I know that Leon made him aware of that during an identity theft incident.

I hope I'm wrong here, but is it possible that PSA deleted the thread because they actually stand to profit more on the submission of EX-Mint cards that have been trimmed and recolored compared to shutting someone down who appears to be selling bad cards?

Or was it deleted because they would rather sweep it under the rug and perpetuate the myth that "everything is OK" rather than try to address these problems head on?

And people wonder why fraud is so rampant in this hobby.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by WhenItWasAHobby

Or was it deleted because they would rather sweep it under the rug and perpetuate the myth that "everything is OK" rather than try to address these problems head on?

You hit the nail on the head with this statement. In fact, I said "They (PSA) think they can sweep the problem under the rug by deleting a thread and it will go away - out of sight, out of mind" in this thread just a couple of weeks ago. That's PSA's way of dealing with things, yet people continue to drink their Kool Aid.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ght=rug&page=3

That's what I like about Leon and this board. He has balls to stand up to situations like this (like the Piedmont thread) while the folks at PSA have absolutely no backbone.

[jezzeaepi]

This is actually not the first thread about waverly to be deleted on CU. I know of at least one other.