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Old 08-25-2011, 04:57 PM
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Sorry, forgot that was in the description. Anyway so it's not real and Im out 3 bucks.
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Old 08-25-2011, 05:05 PM
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Sorry, forgot that was in the description. Anyway so it's not real and Im out 3 bucks.
Rick, I assume you will be canceling your Koufax auction.
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Old 08-25-2011, 06:18 PM
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Yes I will do that right away. Thanks for the message.
It is a fake, right?
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Old 08-25-2011, 06:22 PM
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Can you tell me what indicates what makes it not real please? It looks like the same to me from what is on the dust jacket.
Thanks......
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Old 08-25-2011, 07:14 PM
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Scott- Thanks for the Koufax info, I guess I will just miss out on him. I don't begrudge anybody their dollars but that is out of my budget. Wow?

In Sandy's defense, didn't he lose just about everything in the Madoff scheme or am I just dreaming this?
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Old 08-25-2011, 08:36 PM
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Scott- Thanks for the Koufax info, I guess I will just miss out on him. I don't begrudge anybody their dollars but that is out of my budget. Wow?

In Sandy's defense, didn't he lose just about everything in the Madoff scheme or am I just dreaming this?
Mike,
I hope that he wasn't amongst those that got scammed by Madoff, but I'm not sure. My pleasure for answering your questions.
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Koufax did invest with Madoff but not sure how much. For what it's worth, Koufax is a pretty savvy business man. Back in the day he was getting paid in cash for his appearances while others were taking checks and having an IRS paper trail. I would find it hard to believe he would have all his eggs in one basket.
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Old 08-25-2011, 07:58 PM
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Can you tell me what indicates what makes it not real please? It looks like the same to me from what is on the dust jacket.
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Both are bad!
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Old 08-30-2011, 11:26 AM
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Can you tell me what indicates what makes it not real please? It looks like the same to me from what is on the dust jacket.
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Both are bad!
The pre-printed facsimile auto on the dust jacket is bad?

I'm not sure I personally would have pulled this auction just based on the comments I've read in this thread. 3 people said it was "bad", but without providing any explanations or personal credentials; 1 of those even said the actual pre-printed dustjacket signature was bad; 2 of the parties disagreed later downthread about the authenticity of various other signatures. Not exactly a consensus, IMO.
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Old 08-30-2011, 01:16 PM
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Can you tell me what indicates what makes it not real please? It looks like the same to me from what is on the dust jacket.
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The pre-printed facsimile auto on the dust jacket is bad?

I'm not sure I personally would have pulled this auction just based on the comments I've read in this thread. 3 people said it was "bad", but without providing any explanations or personal credentials; 1 of those even said the actual pre-printed dustjacket signature was bad; 2 of the parties disagreed later downthread about the authenticity of various other signatures. Not exactly a consensus, IMO.

Hi Karl,

You ask a fair question. As with many players, Sandy Koufax's signature has definately changed through the years. I would like to give you a quick look at the evolution of Sandy Koufax's signature from 1956-1972 just to illustrate the point.

The first image is a dated GPC (government postcard) from 1956.
The next three are authentic signed 3 x 5 index cards of Sandy (from top to bottom in the scan) of Sandy's autograph in the early 1960's, mid 1960's (1964-1966) and 1971-1972 respectively.

Once you have looked at these authentic signatures, please compare these to the book in question. Do you still have any uncertainty that both the facsimile signature and autograph in the book both display a bad Koufax signature?

One point to remember is that the 1st edition of the book pictured here, entitled "Koufax" by author Ed Linn, was published in 1966. A real Koufax autograph on this book would look like the mid 1960's autograph that I showed you or later. Nothing like what was shown in the auction screen shot photos the thetruthisoutthere showed us earlier.

BTW, Koufax's signature has evolved even more since the early 70's. Nowdays his signature barely shows any top portion of the "S" and the two pen strokes that Koufax uses to sign the "K" almost look like the parallel lines have become one. Much different than anything that I showed you here...

I hope this helps. Good collecting!
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Old 08-30-2011, 07:13 PM
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I just read your comment Karl. I appreciate your input on this. The name on the dust cover looks the same to me on the book too.
Rick
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Old 08-29-2011, 08:32 PM
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Yes I will do that right away. Thanks for the message.
It is a fake, right?
I see you haven't taken down your Koufax auction yet? With all of the questions and doubts about it, why do you still have it listed on Ebay?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/140596573406...84.m1555.l2649

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Old 08-30-2011, 11:06 AM
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Looks like Ebay removed it.
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