Is it missing......... or not?????????

Originally Posted by atx840

Not necessarily missing it as in printer error but possible fading

That might be possible if the rest of the colors showed some type of fading also and weren't so bright. They said the card would grade numerically, and it was not from bleaching since the back is bright red SC print. I thought it was going to be slabbed but.....

[egbeachley]

Looks faded to me. All the colors. But especially the red which tends to come out quicker with a good soaking.

[smtjoy]

I agree looks like the red came off from soaking, soak a red exhibit and you get the same fade look while many other color exhibits do not fade.

[Exhibitman]

I think it may be a case where soaking in a chemical affected it. Look at the ball on the orange Ball. It has pinkish shadowing, as though the red had been washed off and had run a little at that spot. The bases also look 'off' tone. I know if you soak a T202 in turpentine it will discolor the white card stock; perhaps something similar? The gold border also has some odd shading.

Not all the orange background cards are faded, though. Some of them have red ink that simply ran out. Missing or light red seems to be a theme of the T206 set.

[Wite3]

chemical reaction probably...the discolored gold border is the giveaway...if it was just missing the ink, the border would still be more "golden." But the border looks oxidized. I have a t-80 that is very similar.

the bright red back might be different as well. I am fairly certain that the inks used on the front were different from the inks on the back and tend to survive soaking better.

Or another theory...this was soaked prior to the back printing, meaning something spilled on the sheet before the back was printed (I am fairly certain the backs and fronts were printed separately).

Joshua

[iggyman]

I'm going to hijack this thread for a little bit, because I think it is related to the original spirit of the post. So the T206 Beaumont is actually a "faded red?????" Is that correct???

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Okay then, a couple of questions......

First question, since the T206 Beaumont has an obvious pin-hole, one would assume this card was exposed to light for a longggggg period of time. Would direct light and/or exposure to moisture alone make the red disappear???? Is that even possible??? Or perhaps, it was in a shed with exposure to chemical fumes??? Would fumes alone eliminate the red without impacting any other color???


Second question, when I first saw the card, I assumed that the "red" circle around the pinhole was perhaps caused by a thumbtack, which maybe held this card in a prominent place on a boys bedroom wall. But under a loupe, it is obvious that the red around the pinhole was made at the factory. I made the grand assumption that when originally printed, the red ink was running way low and only printed on that spot (which would make it a bullseye for a kid with a thumbtack), while the rest of the card printed orange. Is this theory even possible (for only a spot on a T206 card to print red while the rest prints orange)???

Any info would be lovely.

Lovely Day...

[alanu]

It doesn't really seem to benefit the grading companies to start listing errors on their slabs unless they are absolutely sure about it... just opens up a can of worms for them.

If the error is so clear, I'm not sure why it needs to be on the label anyway.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by iggyman

I'm going to hijack this thread for a little bit, because I think it is related to the original spirit of the post. So the T206 Beaumont is actually a "faded red?????" Is that correct???

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Okay then, a couple of questions......

First question, since the T206 Beaumont has an obvious pin-hole, one would assume this card was exposed to light for a longggggg period of time. Would direct light and/or exposure to moisture alone make the red disappear???? Is that even possible??? Or perhaps, it was in a shed with exposure to chemical fumes??? Would fumes alone eliminate the red without impacting any other color???


Second question, when I first saw the card, I assumed that the "red" circle around the pinhole was perhaps caused by a thumbtack, which maybe held this card in a prominent place on a boys bedroom wall. But under a loupe, it is obvious that the red around the pinhole was made at the factory. I made the grand assumption that when originally printed, the red ink was running way low and only printed on that spot (which would make it a bullseye for a kid with a thumbtack), while the rest of the card printed orange. Is this theory even possible (for only a spot on a T206 card to print red while the rest prints orange)???

Any info would be lovely.

Lovely Day...

Most red inks fade badly in sunlight. If it was tacked up near a window that's about how it would look. Fading of the red, with a bit of fading on the other colors except black. (most black inks of the era used carbon for the color and don't fade.) And the area under the tack got no light so no fading.

Steve B