Caught! Crook who sold Ruth fakes to FL pawn shops

[packs]

The LOA is a fake. When authenticating vintage items, PSA places the sticker normally reserved for the items they authenticate on the LOA instead of the item. If you look closely you will notice that the LOA in the scan does not contain the PSA sticker anywhere on it. A clear indication of a forgery. The sticker should actually be on the bottom right hand corner which has been conveniently cropped out in the photo.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by packs

The LOA is a fake. When authenticating vintage items, PSA places the sticker normally reserved for the items they authenticate on the LOA instead of the item. If you look closely you will notice that the LOA in the scan does not contain the PSA sticker anywhere on it. A clear indication of a forgery. The sticker should actually be on the bottom right hand corner which has been conveniently cropped out in the photo.

I thought they placed the sticker on the LOA ONLY if they do not place it on the item.

I suspect that most pawn shop employees are not aware of this nuance.

[glchen]

Does JSA do something similar with a sticker or do they just have the LOA?

[travrosty]

both jsa and psa have a hologram sticker, and they place it either on the item or the loa, which ever you prefer, if you don't state a preference, they will decide.

but each item will have a hologram sticker with a cert number on it that will match the cert number on the paper loa. if you don't see a hologram sticker, that is a red flag.

on an expensive item like this, I would make sure there is a hologram sticker either on the item or the LOA, make sure it matches the cert number on the paper LOA, and I would go to a computer, and enter it in the database on the website first, before purchasing the item, to see if the photo in the database matches the item and the picture on the loa, if it doesn't, then you have a problem. If there is no picture available on the database, then I would call up the company, tell them what i am looking at, give the cert number, and have them verify the item BEFORE purchase.

Once you purchase, and the seller walks out the door, then you own what you have bought, real or not.

[Big Dave]

The thing with PSA/DNA is that there are quite a view items that do not have photos in their database, or even the wrong item showing, and if you call them up to verify, all they can tell you is that the item is a signed so-n-so, which doesn't actually help you at all.

Both JSA and PSA/DNA do not use holograms either, just plain numbered stickers. A hologram is something that UDA uses, which looks three-dimensional when viewing it at an angle.

[packs]

PSA and JSA place the sticker on the LOA of vintage items. It is out of respect to the item. If I owned a Ruth baseball I would not want a sticker on it. I would want it in the same state it has been for the last 60, 70, 80 odd years. In these cases they place the sticker with the corresponding number on the LOA itself. It is tamper proof and cannot be removed without damaging the LOA.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by packs

PSA and JSA place the sticker on the LOA of vintage items. It is out of respect to the item. If I owned a Ruth baseball I would not want a sticker on it. I would want it in the same state it has been for the last 60, 70, 80 odd years. In these cases they place the sticker with the corresponding number on the LOA itself. It is tamper proof and cannot be removed without damaging the LOA.

Don't sticker any item. It's pollution!!