Johnny Damon -HOF?

[novakjr]

I'd rather see Raines or Lofton in before Damon. And Lofton is a HUGE stretch. It'll never happen.. 3000 will he hard to argue against though..

[Brendan]

Morris has to be in if Blyleven got in.

I've always marveled at the similarities of the numbers of these three pitchers. One of them is in.
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[novakjr]

Originally Posted by Brendan

Morris has to be in if Blyleven got in.

I've always marveled at the similarities of the numbers of these three pitchers. One of them is in.
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Not Necessarily. Blyleven was way better than Morris.. .59 difference in ERA. Had Blyleven pitched for better teams, he would've easily topped 300 wins, plus his strikeout numbers were incredible. Morris has none of that. The fact that Blyleven fell short of 300 wins is what seems to be confusing people into comparing them, when in fact, there is no comparison..

I'm not trying to diminish Morris. I really do think he belongs in the hall. Just barely. But he was nowhere near as good as Blyleven.

[chaddurbin]

ugh, no morris...ever, please. edgar i can go either way.

lofton...lol.

these hof argument threads...lol x 2.

(larkin...yes trammell=no)

[barrysloate]

I'm still waiting for Al Oliver to get in.

[packs]

I will never understand how Jack Morris is a HOFer. His ERA is 3.90. How can ANYONE with 3.90 career ERA be a HOFer? I understand a lot of people argue his post-season performance should get him in. But even in the post-season his ERA was 3.80.

[D. Bergin]

If Johnny Damon gets to 3000 hits..........he will also reach 1700 Runs Scored.

Like him or not he was a consistent table setter. If his RBI and Runs Scored numbers were switched I doubt there would be any questions of how valuable he was to have in your lineup from a HOF standpoint.

No, "Runs" aren't as romantic as "RBI's" and don't get you sent to as many All-Star games..........but they are just as valuable.

If he gets to 3000 hits and doesn't get in, he would be the first 3000 hit non-PED, non-banned player to get snubbed.

If he gets to 1700 runs and doesn't get in, he would be the first 1700 run non-PED, non-banned player to get snubbed.

This is assuming Biggio also gets in.......who also fits both these categories, and I'm certainly not advocating Damon is better then Biggio..............or even that I would vote for Damon. Just pointing out some interesting stats that even us uncivilized laymen who have no idea how WAR is calculated, can understand.

Longevity and consistency still should count for something, I would think.

[Brendan]

Originally Posted by novakjr

Not Necessarily. Blyleven was way better than Morris.. .59 difference in ERA. Had Blyleven pitched for better teams, he would've easily topped 300 wins, plus his strikeout numbers were incredible. Morris has none of that. The fact that Blyleven fell short of 300 wins is what seems to be confusing people into comparing them, when in fact, there is no comparison..

I'm not trying to diminish Morris. I really do think he belongs in the hall. Just barely. But he was nowhere near as good as Blyleven.

Many people would disagree with your opinion....

Strikeout numbers were incredible? Who cares? I'll take a popout or a groundout and be happy. Same thing with WHIP...these rotisserie leagues are changing how baseball stats are viewed. It may matter who has more strikeouts and a better WHIP for some rotisserie league, but not for the players or the actual game.