O/T 2012 Hall of fame. your vote?

SteveMitchell · #1 08-19-2011, 02:37 PM

This system has been applied only to those receiving votes in the 2011 election, and, for a couple of reasons, it has been limited to the top eight vote-getters. Using Baseball-Reference.com's standards (HOFm, HOFs and WAR); awarding 1 point for the best total, 2 for second best, etc.; and then tallying the totals with the man receiving the lowest total ranking first, etc., the results are:

1. Jeff Bagwell .... 3 points (the best possible score)
2. Larry Walker ... 7 points
3. EDGAR MARTINEZ! ... 11 points
4. Barry Larkin ... 12 points
5T. Tim Raines ... 18 points
5T. Alan Trammell ... 18 points
7T. Jack Morris ... 19 points
7T. Lee Smith ... 19 points

Based on last year's results, (and given the clear weakness of the 2012 first-timer class) I think Larkin (and probably Bagwell - if the voters ever get wind of his dominance in these three categories) will get in and Martinez could double his 2011 percentage. Both Morris and Lee are nearing the end of consideration by the Baseball Writers and do not expect to jump much. To be honest, however, I may be a little too hopeful for Martinez. It may take him a decade of consideration to eventually get his Cooperstown bronze.

sayhey24 · #2 08-19-2011, 03:11 PM

From the Hall of Fame website:

In 2011, the Golden Era Committee will meet for the first time to consider managers, umpires, executives and long-retired players whose most impactful contributions came between 1947 and 1972. In 2012, the Pre-Integration Era Committee will consider candidates whose main career contributions came from 1871-1946. Committees will continue to meet at the Winter Meetings.

I would think the top contenders among players would be Gil Hodges, Ron Santo and Tony Oliva. I'm still amazed that Hodges and Santo aren't in. Hodges was the top first baseman of his time in the NL, helped lead his team to many pennants and a WS title, was a great defensive player, and was the number two man in the 50s for HR and RBI. And then on top of all that, he managed the Miracle Mets to one of the most amazing championships of all time.
It sure is fun debating this stuff!

Greg

peterose4hof · #3 08-19-2011, 03:27 PM

As a lifelong Reds fan I am very excited about Barry Larkin's prospects of making the Hall! I think he will be the only one to get voted in by the Sportswriters. I think Ron Santo has been building steam and most likely will get in via the Veterans Committee.

mr2686 · #4 08-19-2011, 03:38 PM

Of course Santo will get in...now that he's dead.
I say Larkin gets in, Bagwell should get in (take a look at his numbers...why isn't he a slam dunk...and don't say steroids because there's no proof).
I also hope that Gil Hodges finally gets in.

vintagecpa · #5 08-19-2011, 03:57 PM

I'm not a huge fan of any player on the list making the HOF. If I had to choose one, Jack Morris would be the one.

tbob · #6 08-19-2011, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vintagecpa

I'm not a huge fan of any player on the list making the HOF. If I had to choose one, Jack Morris would be the one.

+1.

Javy Lopez??? C'mon, you've got to be kidding me. I can think of at least 5 catchers better who aren't in the HOF. I know the Hall is slowly turning in to the Hall of Very Good but Lopez?.......

FrankWakefield · #7 08-19-2011, 08:48 PM

It took me 3 clicks to get the page to move over so I could post. I took that as an omen that the venting, blaspheming and fussing I was about to do should not be done... so I won't. What follows is the lesser version of what I first thought.

The question asked was who will get in. I think Larkin will. I DO NOT think he should, but I think it'll happen. S#+! happens, and that's what it'll be... He was a very good player. I just don't think it should be the Hall of the Very Good. Yet that's what it's become. I figure I saw him play about 50 times... he was a smooth, sure fielder, solid on the basepaths, could hit quite a bit, he was respected by his team-mates. He was a very good player. I'm glad I saw him play. He was worth the admission price. I wasn't in awe when he stepped out of the dugout, didn't pause to watch him hit during BP... I saw Mays, Aaron, Musial, Mantle, Koufax, Gibson, Drysdale, Spahn, Carleton, Boggs, Bench, Seaver, Banks, Berra, McCovey... and I saw a couple of hundred others who were very good ballplayers. And that's what Barry Larkin was.

I think Lee Smith should get in this year, but I doubt that he will.

Bagwell belongs with Larkin, a very good ballplayer who should be left out.

Lopez does not belong in the Hall. Ted Simmons does ahead of a handful of catchers already in, and a long ways ahead of Lopez.

I think Hodges should be in, just barely... he was such a nice guy, a very good ballplayer, and a good baseball man in later years. That B on his hat and him being a gentleman really puts the spin on him for getting in, and that might be enough to push him beyond where some folks see him just by looking at his stats.

I think Ed Reulbach should get in, but I've thought that for about 20+ years now; I don't see it happening. Instead, Puckett get's in; S#+! really does happen.

I'm ok with Santo getting in, he was a, wait for it, yep, a very good ballplayer. So were about 2 dozen more from his era that aren't in... Will eventually Uecker and Mendoza get in, 'cause after all each was good enough to make it to the show? Dave Ricketts gets in, then, too. And Carl Spooner. I could go up there to New York and see 'em all on those little plaques.

campyfan39 · #8 08-19-2011, 09:19 PM

Agree 100%

Quote:

Originally Posted by vintagecpa

I'm not a huge fan of any player on the list making the HOF. If I had to choose one, Jack Morris would be the one.

Tao_Moko · #9 08-19-2011, 04:01 PM

I am as bias as my avatar would suggest, but Santo is long overdue.

I have never loved the Reds because I hated moving to Ohio from Illinois but I have to admit that watching Larkin as many times I did in the late eighties and early nineties made me appreciate his work ethic. I have several dozen signed '87 Topps Larkins because he never turned me down before or after a game and those things were a dime a dozen and would sell for $4 at the card shop I worked in (Pack Rats in Portsmouth, OH) during that timeframe. BUT...........offensively Bagwell has as many hits (2314) in five less years of playing and 250 more homers. Back that up with over 1500 rbi's, .297 avg, and a .408 OBP and I'd say he's got the edge on Larkin.

I think Bagwell and Santo. Let Larkin soak and see how he looks in 2013 against that class.

novakjr · #10 08-19-2011, 04:15 PM

I think Larkin WILL get in. Bagwell has a good chance, but may not get in this time...A few of the others may gain some major ground, but I don't think anyone else will get in...

As far as the veterans committee goes. I like Santo's odds. I really think Hodges needs to get in. Jim Kaat and Oliva will probably not get in this year, but will be close. Joe Torre and possibly Danny Murtaugh as Managers.

Executives and Umpires, I couldn't tell ya...But Steinbrenner is a possibility.

packs · #11 08-19-2011, 04:27 PM

Am really looking forward to the Pre-Integration era vote next year. Hopefully they will vote in some great players we've been debating for a long time. Here's to hoping Larry Doyle gets his due.

kkkkandp · #12 08-19-2011, 09:16 PM

I agree with both Jay and Steve. I wouldn't be devastated if no one got in, but quite frankly I like Bagwell over Larkin.

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