New challenge....try collecting the various T-brand sub-sets of the T206 Super-Prints

[E93]

WOW!!!
Phenomenal group of Cobbs!!!!
Thanks for sharing!
JimB

[ullmandds]

WOW, Mark...that's awesome!!!!! Between ebay and the next Goodwin auction...you could be a few closer to completion!

[sando69]

for all the nice comments!
ted- of course the carolina brights & lenox are probably the most difficult, but i was able to acquire these almost 30 years ago...
our very own rob d. (thanks rob!) has very graciously provided a scan of "the trader speaks" auction page from which my lenox example was won...
humorous to note that the purported condition of yester-year, "vg+/mint," translates today as "trimmed."

[cfc1909]

Sando the Cobbs are very nice thanks for sharing.


Ted it appears in post #30 that the Carolina Brights, Old Mill and Piedmont 350 all have the same front also it appears the El Principe De Gales and Tolstoi have the same front.

[wonkaticket]

Thanks for the kind words Chris. I need to update images in those posts they sort of lost thunder with no pics. I updated my imageevent sometime ago so sorry for the little red "x".

I will try to update later with better pics.

Cheers,

John

[Abravefan11]

Here's a pair of well loved blue Chase Sovereign's.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by cfc1909

Ted it appears in post #30 that the Carolina Brights, Old Mill and Piedmont 350 all have the same front also it appears the El Principe De Gales and Tolstoi have the same front.

 

[peterose4hof]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Yes agree, Ted thanks I really enjoy your T206 stories….

Much like this thread from Ted Z, John (wonkaticket) has had some "legendary" threads in recent history. For those who are new to the board and may have missed them I have provided links below to a couple that should not be missed. John has amassed the type of collection that makes almost all of us, me included, drool excessively. He is one of the most knowledgeable members we have here at net54 and I look forward to each and every time he shares with the group. Bearing in mind that spirited debate and varying opinions are what fuels this board, I wish the quest for truth would outdistance the desire to prove another member wrong or make them feel foolish and therefore less willing to share.

All the best!


“Baby Got Backs”
http://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=137059

“For The Fellow Obak Fans”
http://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=136762

[Mikehealer]

Wow Mark that is impressive. Thanks for sharing.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by peterose4hof

Much like this thread from Ted Z, John (wonkaticket) has had some "legendary" threads in recent history. For those who are new to the board and may have missed them I have provided links below to a couple that should not be missed. John has amassed the type of collection that makes almost all of us, me included, drool excessively. He is one of the most knowledgeable members we have here at net54 and I look forward to each and every time he shares with the group. Bearing in mind that spirited debate and varying opinions are what fuels this board, I wish the quest for truth would outdistance the desire to prove another member wrong or make them feel foolish and therefore less willing to share.

All the best!


“Baby Got Backs”
http://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=137059

“For The Fellow Obak Fans”
http://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=136762

+1
The cuts in my eyes are still healing from all the sharp corners that he's shown from his collection!

[tedzan]

Here are the 30 different brands (1909-1919) that this card of Frank Chance has been confirmed with.






AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 (frame)
BROAD LEAF 350
BROAD LEAF 460
CAROLINA BRIGHTS
"COUPON" (T213-1) .... 1910
COUPON (T213-2) ...... 1914
COUPON (T213-3) ...... 1919
CYCLE 350
CYCLE 460
DRUM 350
EL PRINCIPE de GALES
red HINDU
LENOX
OLD MILL
PIEDMONT 350 factory 25
PIEDMONT 460 factory 25
PIEDMONT 460 factory 42
"PIRATE" (T215) ...... 1912
POLAR BEAR
RED CROSS (T215-1) ...... 1910-12
RED CROSS (T215-2) ...... 1912-13
SOVEREIGN 350
SOVEREIGN 460
SWEET CAPORAL 350, factory 25
SWEET CAPORAL 350, factory 30
SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 25
SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 30
SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 42 (overprinted) .... scroll over Factory 30
SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 42
TOLSTOI


T-Rex TED

[tedzan]

I like to refer to the red Cobb as American Lithographic's "signature picture". Here are the 27 different
brands (1909-1919) that this card of Ty Cobb has been confirmed with.







AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 (frame)
BROAD LEAF 460
CAROLINA BRIGHTS
"COUPON" (T213-1) .... 1910
COUPON (T213-2) ...... 1914
COUPON (T213-3) ...... 1919
CYCLE 350
CYCLE 460
DRUM 350
EL PRINCIPE de GALES
LENOX
OLD MILL
PIEDMONT 350 factory 25
PIEDMONT 460 factory 25
PIEDMONT 460 factory 42
POLAR BEAR
SOVEREIGN 350
SOVEREIGN 460
SWEET CAPORAL 350, factory 25
SWEET CAPORAL 350, factory 30
SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 25
SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 30
SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 42 (overprinted) .... scroll over Factory 30
SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 42
TOLSTOI
VICTORY (T214) ...... 1914-15
"TY COBB" (Cut Plug Smoking Tobacco) .... 1910


T-Rex TED

[Big Six]

I just noticed that one of the Coupon Chase cards has him listed on the front as N.Y. National...he was a Giant in 1919...how could that Coupon be considered a t206??? Feel free to expose me for the fool I am...and thanks.

[tedzan]

These latest lists include all the tobacco backs that these six subjects are found with across the various tobacco issues from 1909 thru 1919.

Regards,

TED Z

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Big Six

I just noticed that one of the Coupon Chase cards has him listed on the front as N.Y. National...he was a Giant in 1919...how could that Coupon be considered a t206??? Feel free to expose me for the fool I am...and thanks.

That is a T213-3 Coupon.

The ongoing debate of T213-1 vs T206 is a different discussion. I think Ted was mainly showing the same pose in different series.

[tedzan]

Hey guys,

In my last 4 posts here, I'm simply illustrating that American Lithographic continued to print these six super-prints in other Tobacco sets that they
produced during the T206 era, and post T206 era (1912-1919). I will soon post the info on the "dark cap dudes"....Matty and Chase.

Furthermore, many more subjects that 1st appeared in the T206 set, were continued in the subsequent American Tobacco Co. sets (T213, T214,
& T215). For example: Baker, Bender, Chase (trophy), Cobb (bat off shoulder), Crawford (bat), Griffith (bat), Jennings (both), Johnson (pitching),
Lajoie (bat), McGraw, Reulbach, Tinker, Wheat, Willis, CYoung (glove), etc., etc.

POP reports and surveys suggest that these six super-prints must have been double-printed with some of the brands. And, this is quite plausible
since COBB, MATTY, and CHASE were very popular ballplayers. So were TINKER--EVERS--CHANCE in that era.


So, here is today's TRIVIA quiz......why didn't American Litho. select TINKER as the sixth subject (instead of a 2nd Chase pose) ?


Your thoughts regarding this question will be appreciated ? ?


T-Rex TED

[tedzan]

Here are the 26 different brands (1909-1919) that this card of Hal Chase has been confirmed with.






AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 (frame)
BROAD LEAF 350
CAROLINA BRIGHTS
"COUPON" (T213-1) .... 1910
COUPON (T213-2) ...... 1914
COUPON (T213-3) ...... 1919
CYCLE 350
CYCLE 460
EL PRINCIPE de GALES
red HINDU
LENOX
OLD MILL
PIEDMONT 350 factory 25
PIEDMONT 460 factory 25
PIEDMONT 460 factory 42
POLAR BEAR
SOVEREIGN 350
SOVEREIGN 460
SWEET CAPORAL 350, factory 25
SWEET CAPORAL 350, factory 30
SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 25
SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 30
SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 42 (overprinted) .... scroll over Factory 30
SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 42
TOLSTOI
VICTORY (T214) ...... 1914-15




T-Rex TED

[ethicsprof]

great thread with super pics everyone.
TRex, it's the first time i've seen the Red Cobb coupon and it's absolutely breathtaking.
Congrats, ole friend.

all the best,
barry

[tedzan]

Here are the 30 brands (1909-1919) that this card of Johnny Evers has been confirmed with.






AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 (frame)
BROAD LEAF 350
BROAD LEAF 460
CAROLINA BRIGHTS
"COUPON" (T213-1) .... 1910
COUPON (T213-2) ...... 1914
COUPON (T213-3) ...... 1919
CYCLE 350
CYCLE 460
DRUM 350
EL PRINCIPE de GALES
red HINDU
OLD MILL
PIEDMONT 350 factory 25
PIEDMONT 460 factory 25
PIEDMONT 460 factory 42
"PIRATE" (T215) ...... 1912
POLAR BEAR
RED CROSS (T215-1) ...... 1910-12
RED CROSS (T215-2) ...... 1912-13
SOVEREIGN 350
SOVEREIGN 460
SWEET CAPORAL 350, factory 25
SWEET CAPORAL 350, factory 30
SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 25
SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 30
SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 42 (overprinted) .... scroll over Factory 30
SWEET CAPORAL 460, factory 42
TOLSTOI
VICTORY (T214) ...... 1914-15


T-Rex TED

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by ethicsprof

great thread with super pics everyone.
TRex, it's the first time i've seen the Red Cobb coupon and it's absolutely breathtaking.
Congrats, ole friend.

all the best,
barry

Thanks ole buddy.

These super-prints fascinate me. And, as much as I like Chase, I don't understand why American Litho. printed two of him.
They chose Chance and Evers....so, how about Tinker ?
Or, how about CYoung ?

What's your take on this subject ?

Best regards,

TED Z