Babe Ruths auto or Joe Jackson???

[yanks12025]

Well I'm upset that they couldn't do anything, yet with that Yankee ball they could when mine is in better shape.

[jerseygary]

That's too bad, I was pulling for you.

[Shoeless Moe]

Did they charge you, and if so what?

[yanks12025]

They gave me a voucher back. But guess I'll try to sell it. I may send the ball to PSA, I'm focused on proving it.

[thecatspajamas]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

Well I'm upset that they couldn't do anything, yet with that Yankee ball they could when mine is in better shape.

I think it has more to do with the condition of the leather in relation to the ink of the signatures than the overall "condition" of the ball. Yours looks to have more areas where the leather is abraded, meaning in those areas the part of the leather that bore the ink is actually gone. In my limited experience with using black lights to increase visibility of signatures, it also helps if the ball is more white and does not work as well with balls that are deeply toned. I'm not sure if that holds true for other wavelengths. I'm sure that JSA did what they could, but even with their sophisticated array of lights they're not magicians. It was worth a try (well, I guess depending on how much it cost), but you have to admit it was a long shot at best.

[mschwade]

I was pulling for you too! Call me crazy, but the more and more I look at the Joe Jackson check and the ball, the more I start believing it really is it. Let's just put it this way, JSA didn't say it wasn't Shoeless Joe!

[yanks12025]

Personally I'm probably biased because it's my ball, but I think it is. The Joe part matches up perfectly. Some members expressed their opinion thinking it says "July", there's no point in July being written there.

Also JSA only included one UV or what ever picture of the area, I hope they did the rest of the ball and not just were I think Joe Jackson is.

One person mentioned how maybe the lights/camera's couldn't pick it up because of the leather actually being gone. On several parts I can see the autos still.

[FUBAR]

if you look at the Leaf cut signature of Joe Jackson from this year, yours does look similar. The Ruth, unless the Babe was drunk, the R looks off no where near correct.

If all else fails, Chris Morales will authenticate it ;o)

[yanks12025]

Funny Jim..... Don't worry I wont go that route.

Then I'm also starting to think, that they may have not even noticed where I pointed Joe Jackson out. Cause the photo they included, isnt of the auto(just the same panel).

[JeremyW]

I would clarify that with Spence & then get PSA/DNA's opinion.

[yanks12025]

I just wanted to make mention to you guys that I have listed the ball on ebay, and mentioned a possible Joe Jackson auto. I mentioned how JSA could not offer an opinion, I mentioned how some of us agree with what I say while others feel I'm crazy. If anyone things I misrepresent the ball, please let me know. Thanks

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...#ht_500wt_1413

[mdschulze]

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with your description.... I'm curious to see what it sells for!

[Shoeless Moe]

back in Sept?

It's now being re-sold at Premier Auctions

http://www.premierauctionsonline.com...igned-Baseball

Let's see what they get.

[GrayGhost]

I see the "Jackson" but its such a rare sig and so few out there, I can't see why people would risk it. Plus, this one is beat to a bloody pulp

[bn2cardz]

Maybe it is just me but that looks like it could possibly be Jimmy Cooney. He made his debut in Sept 1917 with the Red Sox. I couldn't find any old Cooney signatures to compare to, but I am sure his auto in 1917 would not look the same as the 1980s samples I have been able to find.

I could be way off, I also am not an expert about autos. This is purely an assumption on the fact that it does look like there is a J..MY C...

[yanks12025]

It sold for alittle over $500. And i also noticed the auction the other day.

[ruth-gehrig]

Sold? Isn't the auction on going?

[yanks12025]

Originally Posted by ruth-gehrig

Sold? Isn't the auction on going?

He asked what i sold it for back in September on ebay. And i replied back saying alittle over $500.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by ruth-gehrig

Sold? Isn't the auction on going?

Brock bought it on Ebay for I believe $90, re-sold it as a potential Joe Jackson signed ball for $500, now that winner has it up in the Premier Auction with a min bid of $500.

I can't see it going for much more then that, but ya never know.

And the way they have worded it as a ball signed by Joe Jackson seems a lil deceiving.

I think Brock did a nice job when he listed it, explaining exactly what it was and what the authenticators determined, but Premier is being a little dishonest.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

Maybe it is just me but that looks like it could possibly be Jimmy Cooney. He made his debut in Sept 1917 with the Red Sox. I couldn't find any old Cooney signatures to compare to, but I am sure his auto in 1917 would not look the same as the 1980s samples I have been able to find.

I could be way off, I also am not an expert about autos. This is purely an assumption on the fact that it does look like there is a J..MY C...

http://www.premierauctionsonline.com...per-Photograph

[howard38]

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[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

http://www.premierauctionsonline.com...per-Photograph

Yeah I saw that, but compared to other later autos it looks similar. I am wondering if an auto from a 22/23 year old in his first years in the majors would look different from one obtained later in his life.

[yanks12025]

Howard,
It sold on ebay.