Is the 1952 Topps Andy Pafko an overrated card?

[ALR-bishop]

I have a red back and black back. Bought one on ebay, red, and traded for the black one with Levi. Mathews, Pafko and Mantle may all be overpriced, but someone keeps bidding on them. Maybe when all of us baby boomers are dead you younger x guys can pick them all up cheap

[Doug]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

I have a red back and black back. Bought one on ebay, red, and traded for the black one with Levi. Mathews, Pafko and Mantle may all be overpriced, but someone keeps bidding on them. Maybe when all of us baby boomers are dead you younger x guys can pick them all up cheap

I just went ahead and got mine now since by then our money will be probably be worthless and the inflation will be so high that they will be even more expensive!

[Iwantmorecards77]

I remember this card being mentioned on an episode of Home Improvement!

[scmavl]

I agree with those of you who said it's a good looking card. It's probably one of my 10 favorite '52s based on eye appeal.

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by Iwantmorecards77

I remember this card being mentioned on an episode of Home Improvement!

The Pafko is at least the 2nd card from the '52 set to have been mentioned on a tv show or movie..

Pafko-Home Improvement, Cop Out

Joe Nuxhall- Married with Children...I believe Al was going to leave his "worthless Joe Nuxhall rookie card" to Bud in his will..

[GoldenAge50s]

Here's another way to look at it---Because it is the 1st card in what was then a NEW, OVERSIZED set of cards, it was mangled extra hard by us kids w/ our rubber bands or stuffing them into small boxes w/ our small Bowmans ('48 thru '52 & '51 Topps) !

It's also a reason a High Grade Pafko is so hard to find, percentage wise!

[hangman62]

I agree with many.. the 1st card of the set in lower grade..should be nothing more then a common( provided its not a star card )
Many just dont understand that the high value given to first card of a set is a premium of the card being NM ....although I think its funny that if and when YOU own an extra 52T Pafko...YOU want to get a lot more for it then a common value ! LOL

[HaloFan]

In any case, this is probably one of the few situations where buying a higher grade example for $1000+ is a better value than spending $150 for a low grade one. It's funny considering Pafko, aside from this card isn't really associated with being with the Dodgers as he was with them for only a short time. Being a much younger collector, I noticed he's more associated with the Cubs and Braves.

[Volod]

Originally Posted by novakjr

The Pafko is at least the 2nd card from the '52 set to have been mentioned on a tv show or movie..

Pafko-Home Improvement, Cop Out

Joe Nuxhall- Married with Children...I believe Al was going to leave his "worthless Joe Nuxhall rookie card" to Bud in his will..

Yeah, that episode ran recently on a cable channel I was viewing. But, I don't believe Al mentioned the particular set the card came from. Why would Al, a Chicago guy, presumably in his 40's in about 1990, save a Nuxhall rookie card from, what - 1950? Nuxhall was famously brought up by the Reds at the age of 15 in 1944 and pitched one game to a St. Louis lineup that included Stan Musial. Ed O'Neil is from Youngstown, Ohio, but...who knows?
In another episode Al goes to a card show to try to put together an all-time Cubs team set, but can't find a Ken Hubbs card. Why Hubbs, who only played two seasons with a .247 average? Why not Sandberg, or Hornsby?

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by Volod

Yeah, that episode ran recently on a cable channel I was viewing. But, I don't believe Al mentioned the particular set the card came from. Why would Al, a Chicago guy, presumably in his 40's in about 1990, save a Nuxhall rookie card from, what - 1950? Nuxhall was famously brought up by the Reds at the age of 15 in 1944 and pitched one game to a St. Louis lineup that included Stan Musial. Ed O'Neil is from Youngstown, Ohio, but...who knows?
In another episode Al goes to a card show to try to put together an all-time Cubs team set, but can't find a Ken Hubbs card. Why Hubbs, who only played two seasons with a .247 average? Why not Sandberg, or Hornsby?

Correct. There was never any specifications as to set or year...But Nuxhall rookie card, would lead me to believe that it was supposed to be the '52. The Ohio connection might've been the reason for Nuxhall to be used. Or quite possibly it could've been from a childhood memory. Since O'neill would've been 6 or so, in '52. Maybe it was his first card? Who knows?...I almost forgot about the all time Cubs set....Ken Hubbs. Ha!

Speaking of Ed O'neill. Up until I looked at his Wiki page today, I honestly had no idea that he was signed by the Steelers in 1969...

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by novakjr

Speaking of Ed O'neill. Up until I looked at his Wiki page today, I honestly had no idea that he was signed by the Steelers in 1969...

Yip, drafted out of Polk High School in the first round. J/K, that was the fictional high school that Al played for. But I didn't know he (Ed O'Neill) was actually signed by the Steelers. Cool!

Married with Children was one of the funniest shows on TV. Who can forget Al's group, NO MA'AM, the "National Organization of Men Against Amazonian Masterhood"?

[Doug]

Originally Posted by novakjr

Speaking of Ed O'neill. Up until I looked at his Wiki page today, I honestly had no idea that he was signed by the Steelers in 1969...

I was actually aware that he's a Black Belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (another fun fact), but I never knew he was a defensive lineman signed by the Steelers. I guess Al Bundy can kick the crap out of people in real life too!

[Volod]

Originally Posted by novakjr

Correct. There was never any specifications as to set or year...But Nuxhall rookie card, would lead me to believe that it was supposed to be the '52. The Ohio connection might've been the reason for Nuxhall to be used. Or quite possibly it could've been from a childhood memory. Since O'neill would've been 6 or so, in '52. Maybe it was his first card? Who knows?...I almost forgot about the all time Cubs set....Ken Hubbs. Ha!

Speaking of Ed O'neill. Up until I looked at his Wiki page today, I honestly had no idea that he was signed by the Steelers in 1969...

No kidding? The Stillers? I guess that explains a lot about Al Bundy; all of the football references. What was he - a qb out of Youngstown State?

[Brianruns10]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

I have a red back and black back. Bought one on ebay, red, and traded for the black one with Levi. Mathews, Pafko and Mantle may all be overpriced, but someone keeps bidding on them. Maybe when all of us baby boomers are dead you younger x guys can pick them all up cheap

I agree with you on 2 of 3. The Pafko is definitely overrated in lower grades, given it went through three printings, and I see a bunch on ebay. I certainly wouldn't pay much for a low grade one, and I'd definitely be one to save up for a scarce, higher grade 6 or 7.

Ditto with the Mantle, which I think is a hugely overrated card. It's NOT his rookie, it's a double print, and he was popular, and people were prone to save him. I see tons of these cards on ebay, and they just sit, sit, sit.

But the Matthews...I actually think this card is a bit of a sleeper, given that it is the "least" valuable of the three. It's a high number, it was single printed, and he was a rookie, and rather an unknown quantity...meaning people were less likely to save him. Then you've got the rubberband problem. Finally, there is centering. This card comes atrociously centered on nearly every example I've seen. So when I found an example PSA EX5 dead centered front AND back, I jumped on it. Depending on which price guide you consult, I got it for less, or a little more than book value, so right now I consider it at even cost. But I'm convinced it was a good buy, because after watching auctions for six months before, and for the time since I bought it, I've not seen a similar card come up.

[Doug]

Originally Posted by Brianruns10

But the Matthews...I actually think this card is a bit of a sleeper, given that it is the "least" valuable of the three. It's a high number, it was single printed, and he was a rookie, and rather an unknown quantity...meaning people were less likely to save him. Then you've got the rubberband problem. Finally, there is centering. This card comes atrociously centered on nearly every example I've seen. So when I found an example PSA EX5 dead centered front AND back, I jumped on it. Depending on which price guide you consult, I got it for less, or a little more than book value, so right now I consider it at even cost. But I'm convinced it was a good buy, because after watching auctions for six months before, and for the time since I bought it, I've not seen a similar card come up.

I never noticed the centering issues on the Mathews until you just mentioned it. Mine is pretty much dead centered as well, but after looking on eBay it seems that almost all of the Mathews cards are off centered to the left, bottom or both. It seems similar to how a lot of the '52 Topps Mantle and Mays cards seem to be centered either down, to the right or both.

[Brianruns10]

Originally Posted by Doug

I never noticed the centering issues on the Mathews until you just mentioned it. Mine is pretty much dead centered as well, but after looking on eBay it seems that almost all of the Mathews cards are off centered to the left, bottom or both. It seems similar to how a lot of the '52 Topps Mantle and Mays cards seem to be centered either down, to the right or both.

I recall seeing a drawing someone made, showing the positions of each card as they would've appeared on an uncut sheet, and the illustrator had the Matthews near the center, which I think is wrong. Based on how the Matthews is always shifted, I think he was probably toward the lower right corner. Other cards, like the DeLock or Kucab I've noticed are fairly easy to come by well centered, so these ones would be toward the center I'd imagine...

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by Brianruns10

Ditto with the Mantle, which I think is a hugely overrated card. It's his rookie, it's a double print, and he was popular, and people were prone to save him. I see tons of these cards on ebay, and they just sit, sit, sit.

I think you meant, it's NOT his rookie.

I know, I'm turning into the "'1952 is NOT Mantle's rookie police"...It seems at least twice a week I'm having to mention it..

[Brianruns10]

Originally Posted by novakjr

I think you meant, it's NOT his rookie.

I know, I'm turning into the "'1952 is NOT Mantle's rookie police"...It seems at least twice a week I'm having to mention it..

Oh yes, that's what I meant, thanks. Post edited!