Authentic or Fake? You be the judge

[RichardSimon]

Nice find Chris,,, I think I know who actually signed that sheet.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Nice find Chris,,, I think I know who actually signed that sheet.

Why all the secrets, Richard?

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Why all the secrets, Richard?

Well if I had actual physical proof I would be happy to announce the name to the world.
But sometimes you just know things.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Here is just one of those Christy cuts certed by Justin Priddy (ACE).

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[David Atkatz]

It's time someone said it.

Frank, your stuff is garbage, and I'm sure you know it. How can you justify selling it?

[thetruthisoutthere]

Frank, don't you get at all suspicious when all of these Babe Ruth cuts and hand-signed notes, Christy Mathewson cuts, and Lou Gehrig cuts and hand-signed notes get offered to you?

Does it make you wonder why the person offering you these rare items didn't go directly to PSA or JSA to get them certed instead of selling to you "wholesale?"

If they have an authentic Babe Ruth hand-written and hand-signed note (valued at between 15K and 20K) why would they sell it to you "wholesale?"

And thirteen (13) Christy Mathewson cut autographs???!!! Christy Mathewson passed away in October 1925. There is not much out there in the way of signatures from Matty.

[GrayGhost]

Yeah, Frank, you are a dealer of apparently considerable hobby experience. Its odd, w all the Ruths and Mattys. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, its prob a piece of duck ****.

Oh, and that Matty autograph Note. Nice COA, says "signed NOT", not Note. haha. Well, its NOT his signature.

Oh, and wy do all these notes and things Im seeing posted on this thread look similar in handwriting style? And Im FAR FROM a handwriting expert.

[Piedmont Sport]

I will remove these items from my store and show them to JSA to get their opinion

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

Yeah, Frank, you are a dealer of apparently considerable hobby experience. Its odd, w all the Ruths and Mattys. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, its prob a piece of duck ****.

Oh, and that Matty autograph Note. Nice COA, says "signed NOT", not Note. haha. Well, its NOT his signature.

Oh, and wy do all these notes and things Im seeing posted on this thread look similar in handwriting style? And Im FAR FROM a handwriting expert.

Same handwritng on all these items?? Is that what you are implying Ghost ?? .
You should be catching this stuff Frank, before you spend your money sending it to ACE, I mean 13 Christy Mathewson autographs??
Just walked into the store??

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Nice find Chris,,, I think I know who actually signed that sheet.

Richard:

In the past you've made some allusions to possibly knowing the source of some of the forgeries and it seems as if some others here are in the know as well (a reference to Florida, if I recall correctly).

I understand why you wouldn't publicly name names based on suspicion only.

Just curious... would the suspect(s) be names we'd recognize?

[slidekellyslide]

Why the sudden silence Frank? You've checked in on this thread at least twice in the last two days, but haven't answered any of the questions posed to you. It's hard to take you seriously about your concern with fraud in the autograph industry now that you've gone silent.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Why the sudden silence Frank? You've checked in on this thread at least twice in the last two days, but haven't answered any of the questions posed to you. It's hard to take you seriously about your concern with fraud in the autograph industry now that you've gone silent.

It's interesting, too, that Frank writing that he has 25 years collecting experience, that he didn't raise an eyebrow when offered a total of 13 (17 if you want to count the that he claimed he already sold) Matty cut sigs and over 40 Babe Ruth cut sigs, and he sure didn't blink an eye when shelling out the cash to pay for those cut sigs.

[David Atkatz]

Don't be so sure he shelled out any cash.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Don't be so sure he shelled out any cash.

Hmmmm.

Consignment?

[David Atkatz]

That, or partner.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Hmmmm.

Consignment?

No, confakement

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

Richard:

In the past you've made some allusions to possibly knowing the source of some of the forgeries and it seems as if some others here are in the know as well (a reference to Florida, if I recall correctly).

I understand why you wouldn't publicly name names based on suspicion only.

Just curious... would the suspect(s) be names we'd recognize?

In this particular instance, probably not.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Presently on Coach's Corner Auctions (Sept. 2011 Auction). Six (6) Derek Jeter autographed baseballs authenticated by Mr. Priddy (ACE). Poor forgeries.

There are presently over 100 listings on the Roach's Corner auction site that are ACE certified. Over 80% of those auction listing do not include a photograph. Think about that.

http://www.myccsa.com/Lot.aspx?LotID=283371

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[thetruthisoutthere]

Authenticated by Justin Priddy (ACE) and Mike Baker. Interesting check with Babe Ruth's signature GH Ruth on the back.

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[David Atkatz]

See the way the ink is "feathered" on the Ruth signature? That's what happens when you write with a fountain pen on old paper. See how the fountain pen writing on the front of the check is not feathered? That's 'cause it was written before the paper had aged for fifty-or-so years.

A good forgery, but a forgery nonetheless.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

See the way the ink is "feathered" on the Ruth signature? That's what happens when you write with a fountain pen on old paper. See how the fountain pen writing on the front of the check is not feathered? That's 'cause it was written before the paper had aged for fifty-or-so years.

A good forgery, but a forgery nonetheless.

Absolutely. 100% forgery.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

See the way the ink is "feathered" on the Ruth signature? That's what happens when you write with a fountain pen on old paper. See how the fountain pen writing on the front of the check is not feathered? That's 'cause it was written before the paper had aged for fifty-or-so years.

A good forgery, but a forgery nonetheless.

It's small, but it appears the ink is feathered on the front as well. Look at the 5 in 45 of the year.

Could this be a case of someone finding an old unused checkbook and faking everything, including the bank marks and holes?