New challenge....try collecting the various T-brand sub-sets of the T206 Super-Prints

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Cardboard Junkie

Aloha! Wow Ted those are some nice cards. You must have one heck of a set going! I collect T-206's and I have always felt fortunate to have 1 coupon back (I don't collect diff backs). My one coupon back is a Chance. Thanks for the post those cards are breathtaking. You seem to really know these cards and I would like your opinion.....Do you consider the cobbs with cobb back a part of t-206 or do you consider it a separate issue? Mahalo once again for your post. dave

I DO & DO NOT consider the red Cobb with the Ty Cobb back as a T206 issue.

1st.....Yes, it was printed and issued in the Spring of 1910 as a promotional premium for the new Ty Cobb Granulated Cut Plug Tobacco brand. It has all the characteristics
of a T206....the front is American Litho's "signature picture" of Cobb, it's a white bordered, brown captioned card, printed and issued circa March 1910, and has a T206-like back.

2nd.....The back is unique in that it advertises Factory #33 (no T206 has this Factory #). If I recall correctly, this Factory was located in Reidsville, NC and produced the
F. R. Penn Smoking & Plug Tobacco. So, in this respect, I do have some reservations calling this card a T206. Having said that, I lean towards classifying it as a T206.

In any event, it's my understanding that only 15 Ty Cobb/Ty Cobb cards are known. Eventually, I expect that more of them may surface from the Georgia area (where Ty
Cobb was a popular dude).


Regards,

TED Z

[tedzan]

I refer you to Scot Reader's well-researched and well written book...."Inside T206".

It is available on-line.


Regards,

TED Z

[DixieBaseball]

1910 COUPON (T213-1) super-prints
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Very, very tough....printed circa Summer of 1910.....it's my opinion that this issue of the COUPON brand was never meant to be inserted in cigarette
packs. Instead, they were promotional premiums for this new American Tobacco Co. brand which were included in a box containing these cigarettes.
I base this on two factors.........

(1)....Besides being premiums, T-cards served the purpose of being cigarette pack stiffiners. However, these "cards" were printed on thin cardboard.

(2)....It is my understanding that no (1910) "COUPON" labelled cigarette pack has been found. However, boxes with "COUPON" cigarettes are known
to exist.

Ted - Love those SP's & great Picks of your Type 1 Coupons ! I was doing some research of the Population Reports for SGC & PSA and noticed that the Type 1 average per player is around 3 cards per player in the set of 68. (The range can be from 1-6 on average depending on player, but my guess is some are re-graded duplicates where the cert was never taken out of circulation, so the average may be a little lower than 3 cards per player) With this being said, I can buy into your argument that these cards were never meant for cigarette packs as that seems plausible due to how thin and few there are... I can't imagine them surviving very well just being put into or pulled from a pack as it makes no sense to me that they should have ever gone into a pack. Were the Pirate Cigarettes ever put into a pack or promotional ? Also, what about Red Cross Type 1 & 2's ? For scale sake, there are about 100 Pirate baseball cards graded and 200 Type 1 Coupon's graded. If Pirate cards are 1 of 1 and most are possibly unique, it puts an idea of just how rare the Coupon's are in comparison.

P.S. Great chatting with you at the National ! Here is a scan you may appreciate...