New T205 Variations PB Doc White

[Tcards-Please]

Andrew,

No beef, I was just pointing out that you originally said don't need your reasoning, just a vote, then you ask for dialog later. So I'm sure some people took you up on the initial request of just vote. Plus this was talked about in great detail by those with knowledge and interests 2 years ago, so there wasn't much more to add to your thread.

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Frank

Originally Posted by T's please

Andrew,

No beef, I was just pointing out that you originally said don't need your reasoning, just a vote, then you ask for dialog later. So I'm sure some people took you up on the initial request of just vote. Plus this was talked about in great detail by those with knowledge and interests 2 years ago, so there wasn't much more to add to your thread.

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Frank

It's always good to revisit the talks of the past to see what the hobbies mind is on the subject at hand. So far the vote is in favor of it being a variation.

FYI I own one in Very Poor condition so no invested interest here for sure

[peterb69]

I actually only joined this forum less the a year ago and never saw that original thread. Unfortunately, I am now looking for a Polar Bear Doc White to add to my "master" set.

What I don't understand however, if the majority agree that it is a Polar Bear version similar to the Matthewson Cycle version, then why doesn't it get onto major checklists? Beckett, SCD, PSA, SGC.......

[Wite3]

A variation for master set builders of all backs and variations...

It is like calling 1979 O-Pee-Chee a variation of Topps...same company, different advertising with a card stock and logo....Not a variation, just a different subset or set of cards. The Polar Bears are a subset of a T205 master set that includes all the advertising backs.

If you insist on collecting all the backs and calling them variations, then you better add several cards to your wantlist as a variation.

Joshua

--Exhausted after first day of school, so I hope this made sense--

Originally Posted by Wite3

A variation for master set builders of all backs and variations...

It is like calling 1979 O-Pee-Chee a variation of Topps...same company, different advertising with a card stock and logo....Not a variation, just a different subset or set of cards. The Polar Bears are a subset of a T205 master set that includes all the advertising backs.

If you insist on collecting all the backs and calling them variations, then you better add several cards to your wantlist as a variation.

Joshua

--Exhausted after first day of school, so I hope this made sense--

A t205 master set is impossible. I can guarantee that for sure. Joshua I am guessing that the Matty Cycle is not a variation either then. It is missing a 1 and only found with cycle backs. The Doc white is only found with PB backs missing quotes. Whats the difference????????????

[Tcards-Please]

That the Hassan backs only feature the Wilhelm "suffered" and not the "suffe_ed". And we know that the "suffered" version isn't found with Piedmont backs. Those examples are identified as variations as I believe the Mathewson and White should be as well.

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Frank

[Wite3]

Just my designators...I do not include the Wilhelms as variations but separate cards in separate sets.

Completing a true master set is most likely impossible, but I will tell you that I know a few people who have master sets of certain backs (I own a complete Polar Bear set...as complete as I know of). In fact, I know someone who has tried to put together not only a PB set but a Piedmont and Hassan 30 set and he is very close on a Hassan 649 set as well.

By calling these variations, all you are doing is trying to increase values. The same amount of cards exist. In fact, PB are among the most plentiful of the T205s but just watch the price rise on this card. That Matty Cycle should cost what a Matty costs plus the Cycle qualifier, not some huge arbitrary value based mistakenly on the "rarity" of the card. I do understand that demand will rise for master set builders and Matty collectors but not 10 times the demand!

Just my two cents and my quirks with this set...

Joshua