ALERT....Re-fronted (re-backed) Green Cobb with a Red HINDU back at the National

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by Leon

For some unknown reason he doesn't believe me. I guess I made up what I said just to cause an argument? Makes sense to me.

Leon-

This doesn't have anything to do with me not believing you. There's apparently a "story" behind this card that I guess only certain priveleged people are supposed to know about.

What are collectors supposed to base credibility on when it comes to a legit front and back combo? Maybe what "Trapper Jack" said?

Anyhow, I just want to know if it's a legit card or not, not looking to pick fights, or decipher posts to figure out if this PSA slabbed Red Cobb/Red Hindu is the real deal or not.

And, for the sake of "the hobby" I would hope well respected people would want to point out the fraud- not just to "select few" but to all........

Sincerely, Clayton

[Leon]

I don't feel I should get other folks involved in this by revealing names. That being said here are a few things that might shed some light. This Red Hindu Red Cobb was consigned by a hobby-friend of mine that used to have some high end cards but is out of the hobby now. When I said I thought it was real, in this thread, it prompted a call to me. I just don't want to say who it was without his approval...and my guess is that he would rather not reveal his name as I doubt he wants the questions and obvious angst to go towards him as some in this thread have shown. Can anyone blame him? This person told me after the card was sold in auction that the buyer was made aware of the situation and did go back to PSA for a resolution. I don't know where that stands nor do I really care. Of course it's important for the buyer to know the story and I think he does. That is really all that mattered to me.

For Tim to say I was BS'ing about what I said is absolutely insane. What motive would I have for saying something that isn't true? It makes no sense whatsoever. I could actually give a rat's ass about the whole thing. I have no skin in the game. I could care less.

And one other thing. I had actually made a deal for that Red Cobb Red Hindu with the consignor to REA. At literally the 11th hour the seller backed out of the deal. If I am not mistaking I even told Lichtman, privately, that I was getting that card. I was going to pay 30k+ for it but felt it was worth it. At any rate I hope that helps a little bit. I know how it is when folks won't divulge things and beat around the bush. Hope my thoughts help a little bit. regards

[FUBAR]

wow, this has turned into a train wreck...

Why do some people get sour grapes if they are not "in the loop"

I have never met Ted, but i respect his opinion more then anyone else on this subject. Questioning Ted on T206 is like question Gretzky on hockey, Jordan on Basketball.. well you get the idea...

Now back to my popcorn!

Continue gents! I need to be entertained.

[teetwoohsix]

Thanks Leon-

I respect the fact that you shed some light on a little of the background of the card. I really wasn't interested in anyones names (well, maybe the card doctor ), just the info on the card. I appreciate your post.

Sincerely, Clayton

[Leon]

One last update to correct myself (yet again). Two mistakes in the same day, a new record for me.

When I had mentioned the back was positively identified from another card and the card was previously owned by an alleged card doctor, both of those statements were incorrect. I misconstrued what was told to me. The person just called back and clarified a few things. He believes in Ted's analysis of the reasoning the card is not good. The rest of the stuff I wrote is correct and most of it was first hand. Sometimes when I listen to multiple accounts of cards, I get my wires crossed. As much as I didn't want to have to do this post, I have to. I have no choice. One thing I won't do is spread false info or tell stories. I can't even remember truths all of the time and I am sure as hell not going to tell lies and have to remember them. That is all on this subject. My apology for my misunderstanding. regards

[botn]

Originally Posted by Leon

One last update to correct myself (yet again). Two mistakes in the same day, a new record for me.

When I had mentioned the back was positively identified from another card and the card was previously owned by an alleged card doctor, both of those statements were incorrect. I misconstrued what was told to me. The person just called back and clarified a few things. He believes in Ted's analysis of the reasoning the card is not good. The rest of the stuff I wrote is correct and most of it was first hand. Sometimes when I listen to multiple accounts of cards, I get my wires crossed. As much as I didn't want to have to do this post, I have to. I have no choice. One thing I won't do is spread false info or tell stories. I can't even remember truths all of the time and I am sure as hell not going to tell lies and have to remember them. That is all on this subject. My apology for my misunderstanding. regards

Oh my...LOL

[Abravefan11]

Leon your castigating me after PMing requesting to talk about this issue is not only funny but sad. You stated that you had no idea this card was bad prior to the conversation you had with an anonymous source today. I simply stated that if you had read this thread or any previous regarding this card that you would already know this and whatever you learnered today couldn't be a new revalation.

Feel free to beat up on me but I will continue to post honest, fact based information in the face of myths conjecture and exaggerations until you ban me.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Abravefan11

Leon your castigating me after PMing requesting to talk about this issue is not only funny but sad. You stated that you had no idea this card was bad prior to the conversation you had with an anonymous source today. I simply stated that if you had read this thread or any previous regarding this card that you would already know this and whatever you learnered today couldn't be a new revalation.

Feel free to beat up on me but I will continue to post honest, fact based information in the face of myths conjecture and exaggerations until you ban me.

Quite honestly Tim, and I doubt you will believe this, but I don't read a lot of the venom spewed on this board or the extremely involved T206 series and print discussions. Like I have said, I have absolutely no reason in the world to tell a story about this card. No reason at all. It's against my nature too. I have a much broader interest and it just doesn't interest me a ton. ON a scale of one to ten on being banned, and ten being over the top and banned, you aren't even at one yet. You would have to continually berate and harass me ....over and over and over and over.....and that is when I am not even arguing with you, for that to happen. Now you guys can get back to this discussion. I am going back to my type cards, where I am more at home . I love the hobby and love collecting cards. No hard feelings..best regards