What is a T206 Wet Sheet Transfer???

[iggyman]

Correct me if I am wrong, but the concept that a "$$$" premium is placed on a T206 wet-sheet-transfer overprint, is because the transfer overprint occurred during the print run (for instance 1909 thru 1911). I'm an expert at nothing, but were Sweet Caporals and Polar Bears printed in the same run and in the same place???

FYI: I'm not a big fan of T206 wet sheet transfers overprints, since I've always assumed they could've happened after the print run....... and this card confirms it.

Lovely Day...

[ullmandds]

that's cool!

[Ease]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

that's cool!

+1

[asoriano]

Very nice wet sheet transfer.

[iggyman]

Sorry my snafu, should have phrased it as a "wet sheet transfer" (I edited my initial post). But, you know what...............after thinking about it, is it really a "wet sheet transfer" if the transfer did not happen during the print run???

Lovely Day...

[Abravefan11]

I don't think it's a wet sheet transfer or happened at any point during the printing process. Cool card though.

[Anthony S.]

I've always assumed that a great number of these "wet sheet transfers" are simply cards that were stored front to back (either on top of one another or sideways in a box) in a humid environment under some degree of pressure. More of a "humid card transfer" than a "wet sheet transfer."

[Exhibitman]

The post-mfg argument doesn't resonate with me:

First, since no one really knows how the cards were made, sequencing, etc., it is just as likely that the transfer took place to a blank sheet and the printer did not catch it when the PB sheet was run, or that the transfer could have taken place after the front was printed and then the sheet was fed into a PB back run. Or the printer could have used a blank to clear the press and accidentally reused it in a subsequent run. That is what I suspect happened to generate this card:



Second, and in my mind most convincing, a post-mfg transfer would require that the inks are water soluble once dried. Many, many T206s have been soaked, including by people who post here. Not once has anyone reported the ink running. There are also ample water and liquid stained T206s; where are the runny inks on those? I have numerous examples of wet sheet transfers from various card issues ranging from the T era through the modern era. I have a 1948 Leaf wet sheet transfer:



I've soaked Leaf cards. They do not run. If the wet sheet transfer phenomenon was the result of rewetting I would expect a Leaf card to run. It doesn't.

[mrvster]

HELLO ALL

It's "freaky Johnny"

First and foremost , i would like to thank the professional printers here who can give great insight to the printers process....the ink compositions...the theories......the actualities....

i have a number of "wet sheet transfers"....they are very cool......some are done at the factory.....some were after factory........the particuliar example that just went over $120 is unfortunately (imo) only an "after the factory" transfer...not an "overprint"....you can tell because the after the factory are usually "askew" and have a different back transfered on the front....i have a similiar one that was just sold as this "overprint"


OVERPRINT- BIG BUCKS....WELL OVER 1K to sky is literally the limit!!!

WET SHEET(DEPENDS ON THE TYPE)-$50-120 INMO



that s a big difference....Steve....stop playing games with Gilbert!!!.....sell him or Tuck him AWAY!!! if you wanna sell him!! don't tease us on ebay, then drop the bottom out, dude, you are lame!!!i was high bidder!!! Gilbert is an underprint if everyone really wants to know....if you are fortunate to own one , then you know what i'm talking about......it really is not an '"overprint"......sgc will label "overprint" as such TO DIFERENTIATE IT OCCURED AT PRODUCTION!!!




exhibitman, iggy, steve .........


wet sheet transfers are on a card to card basis....if you have seen enough of them, then you know what i'm talking about.....


guys...im not going to bore you with symantics......

if anyone wants an opinion(yes they are like axxholes) on an under/over/wet sheet....send me a scan...i have been obsessed with them for over ten yearsprinter had to dry sheets...something to work off, who knew they would create a new breed of t206, a "chase" set if you will for the advanced, or insane collector such as myself!!
instead of posting all my examples.....i will post an "over/underprint" and a "wetstack" card done during the production ON THE SAME CARD

please don't make me any offers on mr Chance....he's staying with papa...
please , please excuse the pic, i spent all my cash on cardboard freaksLOL


p.s.

never wanting to offend anyone, but Steve, calling you out dude!!!

[mrvster]

HELLO ALL

It's "freaky Johnny"

First and foremost , i would like to thank the professional printers here who can give great insight to the printers process....the ink compositions...the theories......the actualities....

i have a number of "wet sheet transfers"....they are very cool......some are done at the factory.....some were after factory........the particuliar example that just went over $120 is unfortunately (imo) only an "after the factory" transfer...not an "overprint"....you can tell because the after the factory are usually "askew" and have a different back transfered on the front....i have a similiar one that was just sold as this "overprint"


OVERPRINT- BIG BUCKS....WELL OVER 1K to sky is literally the limit!!!

WET SHEET(DEPENDS ON THE TYPE)-$50-120 INMO



that s a big difference....Steve....stop playing games with Gilbert!!!.....sell him or Tuck him AWAY!!! if you wanna sell him!! don't tease us on ebay, then drop the bottom out, dude, you are lame!!!i was high bidder!!! Gilbert is an underprint if everyone really wants to know....if you are fortunate to own one , then you know what i'm talking about......it really is not an '"overprint"......sgc will label "overprint" as such TO DIFERENTIATE IT OCCURED AT PRODUCTION!!!




exhibitman, iggy, Tim steve and everyone .........


wet sheet transfers are on a card to card basis....if you have seen enough of them, then you know what i'm talking about.....


guys...im not going to bore you with symantics......

if anyone wants an opinion(yes they are like axxholes) on an under/over/wet sheet....send me a scan...i have been obsessed with them for over ten yearsprinter had to dry sheets...something to work off, who knew they would create a new breed of t206, a "chase" set if you will for the advanced, or insane collector such as myself!!
instead of posting all my examples.....i will post an "over/underprint" and a "wetstack" card done during the production ON THE SAME CARD

please don't make me any offers on mr Chance....he's staying with papa...
please , please excuse the pic, i spent all my cash on cardboard freaksLOL


p.s.

never wanting to offend anyone, but Steve, calling you out dude!!!

[Leon]

For our new members (believe it or not we still get 55-75 new members a month, seriously).....here is a quad-stamped-ghosty-thingy-over-somethin-or-another.....

[mrvster]

seriously....

you have 2 of my favorite cards except the double ghosted front portrait on back bender, or the missing color printer scrap plank, the "unknown" 8 sl proofs, collins proof..........

1) the multi back you have w/ brown om(btw Leon, i have another printer scrap, larry Maclean hand cut no fleshtone, but sgc wouldnt label at the time.. from that "Nemo" find where your card was discovered....came from the same shoebox/seller etc....email me and i'll send you the scan!)


2) your Matty Proof


all those cards make up their own "unique one of a kind " set...




Please don't get buried with them and leave them in your will for this humble freak!!

[mrvster]

Chris,

"seller " really never could determine a final price, unless he got a huge offer.....somehow i doubt it......so really the big bids come at the last 3 secs

maybe freemanh bought it!!!!!

[atx840]

Gilbert the ghost.

I wondered what happened, I had sold several bigger cards to put a strong bid into getting this card....such a tease.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by atx840

Gilbert the ghost.

I wondered what happened, I had sold several bigger cards to put a strong bid into getting this card....such a tease.

Nah you should wait till it's listed in the BST for 2-3hrs during a work week, if you guess Steve's fav beer he may throw in a few extras from the old lady.

John

[Ladder7]

That's it, kick sand in the little dealers' face...

eBay ended it. Seems they didn't like my comment, "Other forms of pymnt accepted"

Okay, Who's the rat?

Wasn't u I know freaky johnny.

Incidentally, Next time I need to list on ebay. Ive got to pass some kinda Sellers test, to see that I'd read the rules. hah!


More to come.

[Mikehealer]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Nah you should wait till it's listed in the BST for 2-3hrs during a work week, if you guess Steve's fav beer he may throw in a few extras from the old lady.

John

OK, I'll say Shiner Bock? If that's not it, it's only because you haven't tried it.

[atx840]

Back scan from the board, eBay had a much lower version.

[atx840]

I passed on a card I shouldn't have

Enjoy it!

[teetwoohsix]

Johnny- that Chance is sick !!!!!! Love that card !!

Lots of great information here in this thread but the origins of the transfers still seem to be unclear to me. Iggy's dead sea scroll SC transfer can be explained by the glue (possibly?).

But then you have the "humid" factor.....which doesn't seem to be too convincing to me because of the "soaking" factor......not saying anything is wrong or right, just trying to come to some conclusions here.

Either way, it seems that we see it mostly with the colors black and red.

I love the discussion though, great subject !!!!

[teetwoohsix]

One more.......

[atx840]

Originally Posted by iggyman

Not to take anything away from these posts, but since I didn't want to start a new thread..................Did most of you notice this ebay T206 Gabby Street??? Two young ebayers seemed to really want it. Yikes! My snipe was blown out of the water.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=160623760633

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Lovely Day...

Ditto but I dont think they are that young

[Ladder7]

Steve B, I greatly admire your printing knowledge. But, I think you've missed the boat on the red cobby., I'm seeing some sorta reflection in that low quality shot. Ya know, If Im not mistaken. That same seller had sold John a tea kettle sometime ago... I hear he'd quickly changed back to being a coffee drinker.

[steve B]

Yeah, the picture on the Cobb isn't very helpful. I've seen a few others that have shading from the plastic, but none with any color in the borders. Could be a reflection from the flash at an angle? Odd visual effect if the color isn't there. Either way, I'm sure it'll be in the BIN museum for a while longer.


Not quite as bad as the teapot though..... That pic has been around for years. Two things come to mind seeing it again.
1)Thankfully it was taken before better digital cameras became common.
2)It's never anyone good looking making a mistake like that

SteveB

[Ladder7]

Due to the convexity of the steel, he only appears to be a fat slob.

[npa589]

I'm cracking a rib here...

Hilarious...