Issues with a Heritage National Auction Item.

[sports-rings]

this must be some big and complex issue if they are still working on it. The description has not been updated.

I remember about a year or two ago Heritage had a trophy that I had concerns over. I wanted to post an entry at Net54 about my concerns and I was told I could be in leagal trouble if I did.

Funny thing was I asked them if they "went the extra mile" and contacted the trophy manufacturer to validate the trophy (another words if they were proactive) and I was told that they had no plans to reach out to the manufacturer.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by sports-rings

this must be some big and complex issue if they are still working on it. The description has not been updated.

I remember about a year or two ago Heritage had a trophy that I had concerns over. I wanted to post an entry at Net54 about my concerns and I was told I could be in leagal trouble if I did.

Funny thing was I asked them if they "went the extra mile" and contacted the trophy manufacturer to validate the trophy (another words if they were proactive) and I was told that they had no plans to reach out to the manufacturer.

Really, legal trouble for expressing a concern? I guess I am always in trouble so I don't really know the difference. I think the best thing about this board is that we can all express concerns about anything. That being said, it bears repeating, everyone is legally liable for what they say on the board (or any place for that matter). best regards

[sports-rings]

Word back this morning is that Heritage is currently working on this issue....

Well here we are a few days later and the description has not been updated.

Leon, this is not a difficult research assignment. Any knowledable ring collector would come to the same conclusion I did. The team received 14K rings (not 10K rings like the one offered in this auction) and the original rings were engraved "JOSTEN" not "JOSTENS".

Who could fault any collector monitoring this auction and error from thinking Heritage would rather get the highest price than get the listing correct?

[ss]

I wonder why the guy from Heritage, who always makes sure to tell everyone that he's a lot smarter than the rest of us, hasn't chimed in yet. His silence is almost as amusing as his arrogance.

[Heritage Sports]

Thank you for the continued interest in this Platinum Night auction. We are extremely proud of the sale and remain very grateful to our consignors who have chosen our service above the many others to present some of the most important privately owned sporting artifacts in the world.

With that gratitude comes a very serious responsibility, and even though the consignor for this ring is the United States government we at Heritage believe we owe them the same due diligence we provide to our good friends within the hobby. This ring was presented to the IRS as Thurston’s Super Bowl II ring, and that is how it was presented to us. If this proves to be inaccurate, Heritage will make the necessary adjustments to the auction copy and to any bidding thus far.

I hope the board will forgive us when we say that our response to this matter cannot be dictated by its timetable, but rather by the progression of our own investigation, which reveals a matter quite a bit more complicated than that which has been described here. We have located “Jostens” (as opposed to “Josten”) stamping on a number of pre-1970 rings. We have also located both 10k and 14k examples of otherwise identical/period Championship rings. We are working with one of the leading Championship ring experts in the hobby to get to the bottom of the issue.

Rest assured that if there is indeed an issue with the listing that needs to be updated, then we will inform the bidders and update the listing accordingly. So stay tuned, and, again, thanks so much for keeping Heritage on your radar. I hope to meet many of you at the National next week, so please do come by and introduce yourselves. And please help out the Ronald McDonald House of Chicago with a $100 donation if you would like to join us for the Platinum Night auction on Thursday August 4th. It’s going to be one of the biggest hobby events of the year.

[sports-rings]

Sadly for us ring collectors, there are so few ring experts in the market place. I spoke to the one person in the ring community who knows more than anyone I have ever met and he mentioned he was not contacted by your organization. Jonathan, would you mind sharing with me who you contacted?

Do you need a name of the person to contact at Jostens? I can provide that too.

In all the years I have collected rings and done hundreds of hours of research, I have never encounted a championship team where some players received 10K rings and some 14K rings at the time they were originally awarded.

[slidekellyslide]

Mark's (Bmarlowe1) avatar he uses here is the Joe Jackson lookalike that appeared in a photo that Heritage refused to pull even though it was obviously not Joe Jackson in the photo....I think he's had trouble getting Heritage to cooperate on other dubious photos they've auctioned in the past as well.