barry halper forgeries

[Piedmont Sport]

Real concerns are much larger then just a few items passed thru auction houses ,,,,,,,,,,,,, I have owned and sold autographs and baseballs from the Halper estate all certed by PSA and JSA ---- My guess is that if it came from Halper ,,,, major companies would assume it's good. That was then ,,, now the reverse is true - it must be bad - for all the right reasons. Our hobby is smeared by BAD Auction Houses ,,, and no accountability ,,,,,,,,, It's now down to 2 companies PSA and JSA which becomes a HUGE issue because customers are buying the cert and not the autograph. You can disagree but i do so many conventions dealer and client are saying the same thing. We are now in a pissing contest between both companies - and as a seller i'm sick of it all ,, so you can imagine how the buyer must feel. Marketing has made us all accept PSA and JSA along with any other company ,,,, making us think it's REAL. Yet everyday another story uncovers more fraud and mistakes ,,,, Our hobby would be served by regulations and certifactions along with education. MAKE THE COMPANY ISSUING THE CERT RESPONSABLE FOR ERRORS AND WE MAY SEE LESS OF THEM.

[RichardSimon]

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[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Piedmont Sport

Real concerns are much larger then just a few items passed thru auction houses ,,,,,,,,,,,,, I have owned and sold autographs and baseballs from the Halper estate all certed by PSA and JSA ---- My guess is that if it came from Halper ,,,, major companies would assume it's good. That was then ,,, now the reverse is true - it must be bad - for all the right reasons. Our hobby is smeared by BAD Auction Houses ,,, and no accountability ,,,,,,,,, It's now down to 2 companies PSA and JSA which becomes a HUGE issue because customers are buying the cert and not the autograph. You can disagree but i do so many conventions dealer and client are saying the same thing. We are now in a pissing contest between both companies - and as a seller i'm sick of it all ,, so you can imagine how the buyer must feel. Marketing has made us all accept PSA and JSA along with any other company ,,,, making us think it's REAL. Yet everyday another story uncovers more fraud and mistakes ,,,, Our hobby would be served by regulations and certifactions along with education. MAKE THE COMPANY ISSUING THE CERT RESPONSABLE FOR ERRORS AND WE MAY SEE LESS OF THEM.

Well said Frank,, "marketing, sick of it all, dealers and clients saying the same thing, more fraud and mistakes",,, I for one would never use those companies in my business, but others do, including you.

[Piedmont Sport]

You are correct Richard ,,, I use them because it's public demand - and ebay demand ....... BUT ,,,,,, we are slowing moving away from those companies. And David you are so on target with your thoughts ,,,,, Halper's Stuff is all over the Place and should not be compared to coaches corner ,,,,, Thier so F'd up only a fool would purchase from them. Let's give credit to all those who are searching to do the right thing ,,,,, spend the time and effort for the good of the hobby rather then make 3rd party companies rich. ---- STAMP OUT AUCTIONS ,,, would really like to know the background of most of these people.

[horzverti]

I guess the General George Washington c. 1778 rookie Superbas jersey I bought from Halper is fake too. I should have known by the Majestic label sewn at the bottom. LOL!
I like the reference to Halper as the "Madoff of Memoribilia" line at the end of the article.
I never met Barry, but unfortunately I know a few like him. Good thing is that I know hundreds of us that aren't like him.

[murphusa]

Does anyone know that coaches corner also has a wholesale operation. They sell to smaller mall type stores, antique shop and the sort.

[tinkereversandme]

With all due respect, I wasn't comparing Coach's to Halper. If you read Nash's site, he has done other stories that don't involve the Hall Of Fame or Halper, like the one on James Spence, and his stuff doesn't show up in the Hall, does it? If Nash adores turn of the century baseball as he does, why not look into an outfit who seems to have it all is all I am saying.

Halper gets what he deserved I suppose, but a lot of the stuff he sold was in fact good and now since high dollar items are bad, everything is bad?

And those who authenticated originally should have some blame as well at the very end as well, Mike and Flannel.

Larry

[David Atkatz]

It's not so much some stuff was bad, Larry. It's the bullshit stories Halper invented to go with the crap. He knew that stuff was bad.

And one thing (Halper) has nothing to do with the other (Coach's). You might as well complain that AIDS researchers are doing nothing about curing cancer. Nash isn't responsible for outing every bit of fraud in the baseball memorabilia world.

[ptr002]

Another point of view and a reply from Jason Halper to some of the allegations from Nash.

Paul Rozga


http://www.baseballdigest.com/2011/0...-halper-smear/

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Piedmont Sport

You are correct Richard ,,, I use them because it's public demand - and ebay demand ....... BUT ,,,,,, we are slowing moving away from those companies. And David you are so on target with your thoughts ,,,,, Halper's Stuff is all over the Place and should not be compared to coaches corner ,,,,, Thier so F'd up only a fool would purchase from them. Let's give credit to all those who are searching to do the right thing ,,,,, spend the time and effort for the good of the hobby rather then make 3rd party companies rich. ---- STAMP OUT AUCTIONS ,,, would really like to know the background of most of these people.

Ebay does not demand that you use those authenticators, you know that.
It is solely an ebay RECOMMENDATION.
But it does seem that since you are so openly critical of them and the tactics they have used to gain the niche in the market that they have, that you would stand by the words that you posted here and stop using them.
You do not need a third party COA to sell an autograph on ebay.
As I state clearly in my ebay ads, I guarantee and authenticate my own items.
State that in your ebay ads and you will not be breaking any ebay rules.

[Piedmont Sport]

At that point Richard we need to shut down all 3rd party authentication - because someone we always find another person to disagree - we as a company do offer 100% return policy and we have a form completed by our atty. that each buyer agrees to sign and notarized on the spot ,,,,, and it's insured by Marsh & Mclands - I wonder how many other dealers offer that return policy. I can't tell you how many items that are rejected and re-submitted that once failed and now passed. It's a shame ,,, this bullshit goes back many years ,,,,, and auction houses are a real source to hide bullshit. Every dealer I know struggles with all these issues ,, we need to stay in biz and the rules are PSA or JSA ,,,,,, At the National thier booths will be none stop busy.

[RichardSimon]

The autograph hobby thrived for years without 3rd party authentication.
In the good old days, you had a dealer you could trust and you asked him for an opinion on another autograph. That dealer, I did this in many instances, would gladly give his opinion to good customers.
I would gladly go back to those days in a heartbeat, even if it would cost me money.

[David Atkatz]

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