Chris Morales appears in court for an autograph case, read about the results.

[Big Dave]

No authenticator spends that kind of time on a signature(s), and that includes all the well known national companies.

Most of the time it is just a visual that gets an item rejected or passed, or who has already authenticated the item, or who you know.


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[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Big Dave

No authenticator spends that kind of time on a signature(s), and that includes all the well known national companies.

Most of the time it is just a visual that gets an item rejected or passed, or who has already authenticated the item, or who you know.


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Dave, that's my point. Chris Morales is not an authenticator, he is a "Forensic Investigator" as per his website and his COA. There is a big difference between a "Forensic Investigator" and "Autograph Authenticator."

When I communicated with a number of FDE's (Forensic Document Examiners) and inquired about examining signatures (vintage) on a baseball, the ones that responded wrote that the first two items they would start with would be the substrate (the baseball) and the ink. That's what "forensic" people do.

What "Forensic" analysis does Chris Morales really perform when he can't even determine that certain signatures were traced? Think about that.

[thetruthisoutthere]

The below Mickey Mantle signed photo sold today on another auction site (they shall remain nameless) for a whopping $6.00. It was "Forensically Examined" by Chris Morales.

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[RichardSimon]

What if the auction houses changed their payments to authenticators and paid them a percentage of the sale price???

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

What if the auction houses changed their payments to authenticators and paid them a percentage of the sale price???

Imagine that. The below auction ended this morning. It was a "Dutch" auction of 2. They each sold for $3.00.

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Yes, the above two Mickey Mantle signed photos "Forensically Examined" by Chris Morales, sold for $3.00 a piece.

[baseballart]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Imagine that. The below auction ended this morning. It was a "Dutch" auction of 2. They each sold for $3.00.

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Yes, the above two Mickey Mantle signed photos "Forensically Examined" by Chris Morales, sold for $3.00 a piece.

No doubt they overpaid

[Fuddjcal]

maybe the buying public is getting a bit smarter than we give them credit for?

I would love to hear "Clown Boy Moral Less" the Forensic Butchers answer to what is it in these Mantle signatures makes him think they're authentic? It is just crystal clear these are horrid fakes to an average collector yet Bozo the forensic butcher gets it wrong EVERYTIME?

Compare @ $3.00... Now that has a nice ring to it.