Simple Poll: PSA 5 w/ Crease -- Disclose?

[Jaybird]

Please let's end the talk of "weak 6" OR "strong 5". That is still subjective.

I say things like... "Upper right corner ding, crease running from hand over to the right border. Brown stain on the back", etc.

To me the comments about the grading is putting subjectivity on top of subjectivity. It never sways me one way or the other when people say "way undergraded". I look at the card for myself and determine if it is over or under graded. I'm too cynical to take a seller's opinion of their card seriously. Too many years watching commercials without the benefit of Tivo has left me numb to "seller speak".

[itjclarke]

Doesn't PSA, and SGC for that matter, have a policy that allows you to re-submit clearly over graded cards.. and if they determine card(s) is over graded, they will pay the difference (or a portion) in value once re-holdered?? I have 2-3 that DEFINITELY meet this criteria, and have always considered contacting PSA/SGC, but haven't gotten around to it. Two are 5's with small creases/wrinkles, not as prominant as the Meyers', but nonetheless both should be no higher than 4s.

[Ladder7]

Obviously he missed the boat here. Years back, I tended to trust the graders flip (a little moreso with SGC). Now I pregrade, before sending them out. I'm certain PSA's authentication engineers are overburdened, looking at billions of shiny cards all day long. I can understand this. The amount of material they must study has to be enormous. Dry waterboarding.

On the hazmat unit, we have this crazy meter. You slide in a sample and it comes out with a breakdown of all the compounds within that test. We'd mixed up some pretty weird concoctions through the thing and can't stump it... So these punchdrunk graders can concentrate on vintage. I envision a device for Shiny's, where you slide the card into a slot (like a Charlie/Metro cards) it gets ejected seconds later, freshly slabbed and accurate to 99%. With todays microengineering, developing the software library would be the toughest part. Reckon I should mention, our meter costs $70K+ and requires tech upgrades, similar to an antivirus prog.

All sellers are not crooked.
We've all sold cards that were worse than we thought, Im guilty. We've also sold far cards that were undergraded, also guilty

A career as a grader?.. Keep the big salary, I'd rather dig cesspools with a teaspoon. S

[Gradedcardman]

A subject that will always be relevant. When I get back cards from the 1960's and forward and they are 5's or less I will generally bust them and sell with the full disclosure. With a 6 or higher I have generally attributed the lower grade to centering (I send everything marked as no qualifiers). I will begin to pay much more attention to this. PSA slabs many cards with a 5 with a surface crease if the rest of the card is essentially nm-mt. When I sell raw cards I normally go overboard with the details so I keep the customers coming back for more.

[Big Ben]

Definitely disclose. As Leon stated, that takes the oh sh** factor out of the transaction. Personally, I prefer slab cards when purchasing over the internet, but I study the card closely and then look at the grade on the slab to form my opinion on the matter.

[tbob]

Disclose. I don't think a PSA 5 or SGC 60 should EVER have a crease.

[bobbyw8469]

[We've all sold cards that were worse than we thought, Im guilty. We've also sold far cards that were undergraded, also guilty

Same here. The ironic thing though, NONE of the cards I have sold that looked a grade or two better than the number on the slab have been returned. I did have one guy tie up my money for 6 months though, after I sent a Jordan rookie card back to PSA for their "Grade Guarantee". He didn't like a minute spot on the back. PSA determined that the grade was indeed correct, and I had to pay return shipping back to me (more money down the drain). All for a card I made $10 profit on. After everything was said and done, I sold the card for MORE money on Ebay, and the buyer was pleased as punch!! Go figure....

[edhans]

Count me among the sellers who at least try to disclose any signifacant discrepancies with a TPG grade. The product we sell is the card, not some third party's opinion of it. There are a good number of auction houses and dealers who like to hide behind TPG mistakes, and shockingly enough, seem to get a pass on it. No one expects a seller to scrutinize every card of a 100 card lot of PSA3 T206 commons, but a dozen PSA5s? I think that would be productive use of one's time.